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Still full of antibiotics though..
No at all....my daughter can and has eaten everything a vegan will....plus more....her diet has a wider range.
So they agree with what I said, supplements and fortified foods.......manufactured for the sake of people who dont get enoughof a certain vitamin.
All the monitoring and making sure a child gets supplements as a baby in my opinion, and the opinion of most dieticians is wrong.
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What on a daily basis and I doubt very much she has...?
Wasn't it governments health policies to fortify food because of wide spread deficiencies of people? I do recall WHO pushing for it...
not because of vegans I might add.
I don't understand where you are going with this, all babies have regular checks. Nothing different for vegans.
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Alarm
Sorry, went off-line. We do occasionally
Answer what? We both gave some good examples. I even posted something not 100% pro meat either but they show it is needed for a GOOD balanced diet.
My only argument is it is not good going to extremes, and I certainly would not on my children. This was what your question was about after all.
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peaps
Sorry, went off-line. We do occasionally
Answer what? We both gave some good examples. I even posted something not 100% pro meat either but they show it is needed for a GOOD balanced diet.
My only argument is it is not good going to extremes, and I certainly would not on my children. This was what your question was about after all.
But meat isn't needed in a balance diet and a balanced diet doesn't need to contain meat, I've shown that....
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Alarm
Well it is in the references I made.
Another link showing meat IS part of a HEALTHY BALANCED DIET.
http://www.homehealth-uk.com/medical/healthybalanceddiet.htm
They do not sell meat so are unbiased.
Another link showing meat IS part of a HEALTHY BALANCED DIET.
http://www.homehealth-uk.com/medical/healthybalanceddiet.htm
They do not sell meat so are unbiased.
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peaps
I for one have never said that a meat based diet can't be a balanced diet, I've stated all both can be balanced and be healthy...
you have stated vegan diets aren't but I'm still waiting for the evidence. Producing evidence that of a balanced meat based diet doesn't cut the mustard..
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yaleguy3
I am not saying that Vegan diets are wrong or right - (smelly perhaps)
But seriously.
Lets look at some possible considerations.
A cow eats what - grass?
This has always amazed me that a cow only has a very simple vegatable diet and yet grows FASTER, BIGGER,STRONGER than humans do and has more MUSCLE , BLOOD , FAT than we do. It has more HAIR etc etc - the point being that a cow turns humble grass into blood and bones.
So why can't us humans do the same?
Well firstly we can't digest grass. Our single stomach will only get the preliminary goodness from the grass and will expulse a load of the fibers still containing nutrients.
Secondly if humans ate grass it would be prepackaged a certain length the right colour green washed and full of pesticides (actually no pesticides as grass contains natural pesticides which is why it doesnot have any parasitic insects and another reason as humans we can't digest it.)
When cows eat grass they don't eat a prepackaged sanitised version they will also get remnants of soil giving calcim and other nutrients. Grass also has lots of moisture.
So as humans we don't get the full benefit of being a vegetarian.
And foods of vegatable nature that could support us have to be specially chosen. A great deal more care needs to be taken in what you choose to eat.
If a cow did not have grass but simply ate prepacked iceberg lettuce from sainsbury's it would die. The product would not contain everything the cow needed to survive - five of it's stomachs would become redundant and the nutrients available insufficient.
So if you are to be Vegan you need FAT yes that naughty food word becausewithout FAT you will have poor joints , poor insulation , and muskoskeletal issues.
So you must have pulses.
You can stay vegan and consume fats
If someone is going to be a vegan then they CANNOTbe a fussy eater and MUST eat all the varieties of vegan fayre available to ensure no defficiencies.
As humans however and as a growing human then I do presonally consider starting at 18 months given the physiology of humans too early.
A vegetarian will consume milk and eggs however a true Vegan will not consume milk or eggs.
Milk is a vital component of a growing child unless of course you are wet nursing your child with breast milk.
If that is so then you may have a successful nutritional outcome for the child if however the child is not getting breast milk or other milk then to be honest you are gambling with your childs health for the sake of your own vanity.
But seriously.
Lets look at some possible considerations.
A cow eats what - grass?
This has always amazed me that a cow only has a very simple vegatable diet and yet grows FASTER, BIGGER,STRONGER than humans do and has more MUSCLE , BLOOD , FAT than we do. It has more HAIR etc etc - the point being that a cow turns humble grass into blood and bones.
So why can't us humans do the same?
Well firstly we can't digest grass. Our single stomach will only get the preliminary goodness from the grass and will expulse a load of the fibers still containing nutrients.
Secondly if humans ate grass it would be prepackaged a certain length the right colour green washed and full of pesticides (actually no pesticides as grass contains natural pesticides which is why it doesnot have any parasitic insects and another reason as humans we can't digest it.)
When cows eat grass they don't eat a prepackaged sanitised version they will also get remnants of soil giving calcim and other nutrients. Grass also has lots of moisture.
So as humans we don't get the full benefit of being a vegetarian.
And foods of vegatable nature that could support us have to be specially chosen. A great deal more care needs to be taken in what you choose to eat.
If a cow did not have grass but simply ate prepacked iceberg lettuce from sainsbury's it would die. The product would not contain everything the cow needed to survive - five of it's stomachs would become redundant and the nutrients available insufficient.
So if you are to be Vegan you need FAT yes that naughty food word becausewithout FAT you will have poor joints , poor insulation , and muskoskeletal issues.
So you must have pulses.
You can stay vegan and consume fats
If someone is going to be a vegan then they CANNOTbe a fussy eater and MUST eat all the varieties of vegan fayre available to ensure no defficiencies.
As humans however and as a growing human then I do presonally consider starting at 18 months given the physiology of humans too early.
A vegetarian will consume milk and eggs however a true Vegan will not consume milk or eggs.
Milk is a vital component of a growing child unless of course you are wet nursing your child with breast milk.
If that is so then you may have a successful nutritional outcome for the child if however the child is not getting breast milk or other milk then to be honest you are gambling with your childs health for the sake of your own vanity.
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trollmaster2000
To be totally objective about it, neither side of this debate is ever going to concede any ground on what for many is an idealistic argument. People's opinions, agendas and beliefs on this matter are so deeply entrenched that debate is pretty much futile, any evidence contradictory to whatever belief will be dismissed out of hand.
One thing that cannot be refuted though, is that children raised on vegan diets invariably grow up to be evil, mentally-unhinged, tree hugging, loony-lefty liberal, holier-than-thou guardianista, freedom hating, jesus hating, satan worshipping communist SCUM.
One thing that cannot be refuted though, is that children raised on vegan diets invariably grow up to be evil, mentally-unhinged, tree hugging, loony-lefty liberal, holier-than-thou guardianista, freedom hating, jesus hating, satan worshipping communist SCUM.
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yaleguy3
Not strictly true their daughters when they grow up meet some objectionable yuppie type get fascinated by 'sleeping with the enemy' and leg it into a life of debauchery and excess much to their parents dismay.
Either that or they binge on McDs every time they are out of sight.
Either that or they binge on McDs every time they are out of sight.
