lighting wiring

I presumed (is that different than 'assumed'?) that the OP knew enough that if the switched live were identified then the configuration of all the others would be apparent. After all, all the other wires are grouped by colour.
Ah - I would have presumed (which I fear is not much different from 'assume', perhaps even worse :-) ) that anyone to whom that "would be apparent" probably wouldn't have needed to ask the question in the first place - but I may be wrong! ... and don't forget that (if we are talking cables) the method you suggest would identify which pair of conductors came from the switch, but it would not have indicated which was 'switch live' and which was permanently live.

Kind Regards, John
 
(if we are talking cables) the method you suggest would identify which pair of conductors came from the switch, but it would not have indicated which was 'switch live' and which was permanently live.
It wouldn't matter, would it?
It would be logical to put the red with the other reds and use the black as SL.

I know you like detailed discussions exploring all possibilities but in this case surely you are stretching it slightly too far.
 
(if we are talking cables) the method you suggest would identify which pair of conductors came from the switch, but it would not have indicated which was 'switch live' and which was permanently live.
It wouldn't matter, would it? It would be logical to put the red with the other reds and use the black as SL.
It wouldn't matter if it is a conventional loop-in situation at the light - but how much do you think you should assume/presume?
I know you like detailed discussions exploring all possibilities but in this case surely you are stretching it slightly too far.
Maybe. I have to say that the countless questions/discussions we see here about lighting switches/roses etc. (often with incomplete or unclear information) tend to 'worry' me more than what superficially appear to be much 'heavier' issues (like socket circuit extensions, CU changes, garage supplies etc.) - which is at least one reason why I generally keep out of them and don't attempt to offer advice - even though, 'were I there', I'm sure I could near;ly always sort out the problem very quickly.

Kind Regards, John
 
(if we are talking cables) the method you suggest would identify which pair of conductors came from the switch, but it would not have indicated which was 'switch live' and which was permanently live.
Neither would be either until they are connected.
If the reds are still connected then it will be the black.


It wouldn't matter if it is a conventional loop-in situation at the light - but how much do you think you should assume/presume?
Remember the OP was 'How do I find the switch-live?'.
No mention was made of connecting the other wires/cables.

My first reply is the correct method to determine that asked by the original post.

Whether it is a normal loop-in, loop-out and switch-cable or
(end of) loop-in, second light and switch-cable the method is correct.

With other configurations such as loop-at switch with direct feed to three (or more) lights the method will not work and so the OP will be back to square one.
 
Neither would be either until they are connected. If the reds are still connected then it will be the black.
We both understand all this, so I don't think it warrants any discussion. Let's just hope that your answer (which would enable him to find which cable was connected to the switch) and/or someone else's comments have helped the OP!

Kind Regards, John
 
We both understand all this, so I don't think it warrants any discussion.
Bit late for that... :roll: :wink:
Fair enough. I should have written "We both understand all this, so I don't think it warrants any further discussion.". However, I'm not going to apologise for feeling that we should at least be sure we understand the question, and the situation to which it refers, before we start offering answers. The OP, whose first post it was, has not yet come back, so we may never know the truth.

Kind Regards, John
 
hi i should have explained there are three black wires and an earth wire coming through the ceiling and im trying to find the switched live also i have a multimeter but it has no bleep function on it can i use it to find switched live if so how cheers
 
hi i should have explained there are three black wires and an earth wire coming through the ceiling and im trying to find the switched live ....
EFLI - it seems as if, just for once, I was right to question your assumptions. It seems that 'wires' soimetimes really are 'wires' :-)

Kind Regards, John
 

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