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[JBR]

Most of them had much better industrial relations, and the most successful brings the unions in as a partner to the success of the business.

A combative style is not helpful.

Yes. Isn't it a pity that Mr Scargill didn't realise that.

Economic policies which cause the collapse of industry and add literally millions to the tally of unemployed are never going to improve things.

Uneconomical industries can cause their own collapse without any help. And don't forget that nice Mr Scargill called out his workers without holding a ballot and, in keeping them out for so long, caused health and safety (yes, they had them in those days too) problems due to lack of routine maintenance, which ultimately resulted in the closure of mines which in other circumstances could have continued to be worked.

 

[JBR]

As soon as these CAP subsidies are stopped the better? Farmers doing nothing on their land to get the payments is robbery of taxpayers. Farmers dont have to grow anything or keep any animals to get their payments. Disgraceful!

Ooh, the French farmers would never stand for that!

 

[JohnD]

Most of them had much better industrial relations, and the most successful brings the unions in as a partner to the success of the business.

A combative style is not helpful.

Yes. Isn't it a pity that Mr Scargill didn't realise that.

And especially Mrs Thatcher

Funnily enough, Scargill used to claim that Thatcher had it in for the unions, and was determined to close down the mines.

Turns out he was right.

You can't stir up satisfied people who have the advantage of good industrial relations.

 

[Nige F]

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You can't stir up satisfied people who have the advantage of good industrial relations.

But you can buy them off and change their political allegience .

 

[AronSearle]

Most of them had much better industrial relations, and the most successful brings the unions in as a partner to the success of the business.

A combative style is not helpful.

Yes. Isn't it a pity that Mr Scargill didn't realise that.

And especially Mrs Thatcher

Funnily enough, Scargill used to claim that Thatcher had it in for the unions, and was determined to close down the mines.

Turns out he was right.

You can't stir up satisfied people who have the advantage of good industrial relations.

The mines needed either mechanization, or lower pay for staff, Scargill would accept neither.

Other countries who had "better relations" accepted closures and mechanization of the mines, and the governments compromise was to allow it to happen in waves, rather than in one lump.

So do you advocate that, something Scargill would not accept?

What is it exactly that Thatcher should have compromised on?

 

[JohnD]

what makes you think my comments are specific to coal-mining?

 

[ellal]

And it's about time you learnt the meaning of 'treasure island' vis-a-vis the uk...

Ah, but the difference between you and me is that I understand why it might be called that, whereas you think it's because Peter Pan lives in London.

Nice to see you've raised the white flag, chapeau...

next time prepare your argument properly else risk being shown up again...

 

[AronSearle]

what makes you think my comments are specific to coal-mining?

Fine, whatever, going to reply and say what compromise she should have made?

Something more than "subsidize them" because obviously that wouldn't be a compromise.

Balls in your court.

 

[mdf290]

I would sack anyone who refused a reasonable request.

Fair enough.

Do you think it reasonable to expect workers to do unpaid overtime, simply because you can sack them if they refuse.

The way norcon describes it, his workers often do unpaid overtime on minimal wage, he really does come across as a bit of a c(nt.

I don't expect unpaid overtime but I baulk at paying overtime and avoid that by managing staff levels.

People seem to think that companies are automatically awash with money. They might see a boss with a flash car and assume that means there is cash to flash.

I don't know what Norcons contracts say but if there is a target as part of the daily work then if they dont hit target they wont get what they agreed. That is fair practice and could also be tied into piecework.
Maybe some staff take it on themselves to work over to hit the targets. In that case there is no obligation for the employer to pay for that time. They could however still earn from it if they are getting paid per unit.
I dont think Norcon is telling the full story.

I fail to see how it is legal to require them to work extra hours for no pay.
All contracts of employment are different though dependent on the industry. The only legal requirement is that employees should earn minimum wage.

Seasonal industries would set staff on short contracts.

 

[mdf290]

Here we see a person who is dedicated to bad industrial relations and bad staff management.

You are being very naive.

 

[chapeau]

Norcon's people are obviously self employed

 

[joinerjohn]

what makes you think my comments are specific to coal-mining?

Probably this little gem.

Funnily enough, Scargill used to claim that Thatcher had it in for the unions, and was determined to close down the mines.

Turns out he was right.

 

[Norcon]

As soon as these CAP subsidies are stopped the better? Farmers doing nothing on their land to get the payments is robbery of taxpayers. Farmers dont have to grow anything or keep any animals to get their payments. Disgraceful!

Ooh, the French farmers would never stand for that!

They get twice the subsidies as British farmers.
The leftie rabble rousers will likely blame Thatcher for that though!

I don't agree with farm subsidies btw. Should be the same as new zealand. Abolished. Phased out.

 

[Norcon]

Here we see a person who is dedicated to bad industrial relations and bad staff management.

Have you ever managed staff?
If someone disobeyed an order which is made to protect other workers safety, what would you have in mind for them?
A pay rise?
A day off at butlins on full pay?

 

[JohnD]

**edited out because it's none of your business**


I am sorry that in your company you appear to have very poor labour relations. I am even more sorry that you seem to revel it it.

In my experience that arises from poor or incompetent management and unsuitable supervisors.