Consumer unit breakers

[AndyPRK]

Do this:

1. Run a 6mm cable to 6.5kw hob and a use a 32a mcb
2. Run a 6mm cable to garage cu use a 32a Mcb
3. Keep 2.5mm 3.5 kW cooker and a 16 or 20a mcb

 

[JohnW2]

Whuich if you bother to read what is written, rather than what you want to have been written, you will see that we agree on that - neither of us have suggested we encourage in any way him doing this work (quite the opposite). But since he appears to have decided to go ahead anyway, we feel it is not unreasonable to attempt to mitigate as best we can the risks.

That's encouragement.

In terms of the general situation, that is where we differ. I do not really understand the concept of 'encouraging' someone to do something when they have already made a determined (and essentially irreversible) decision to do it.

In this particular thread, the situation is seemingly so extreme that I am not prepared to offer specific ('risk reducing/mitigating') advice/assistance (other than that the OP should not do this work), even though that is probably inconsistent with my general view about such matters.

Kind Regards, John

 

[davebullocklive]

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[bernardgreen]

2 outside 500w lights on a b6
Is this ok ?

Have you checked with your local council's planning and building control departments about these lights. There are rules about the maximum power in external lighting.

 

[davebullocklive]

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[ban-all-sheds]

In terms of the general situation, that is where we differ. I do not really understand the concept of 'encouraging' someone to do something when they have already made a determined (and essentially irreversible) decision to do it.

OK then - help, facilitate, connive with, go along with - whatever term you want to use for anything except total rejection of his decision, no matter how determined and irreversible.

 

[ekmdgrf]

You never did answer my question BAS: what do you posts hope to achieve?

Also, do you have an amateur radio license?

 

[JohnW2]

You never did answer my question BAS: what do you posts hope to achieve?

He didn't.

Also, do you have an amateur radio license?

Interesting/surprising question (I, and at least a few other forums members, do) - but he'll probably " 'ave you " for your spelling

Kind Regards, John

 

[ban-all-sheds]

You never did answer my question BAS: what do you posts hope to achieve?

Sorry - missed that in the flood.

The giving of the best advice I can.

Also, do you have an amateur radio license?

No, for 2 reasons.

1) No interest in amateur radio.

2) I'm not American.

 

[ekmdgrf]

You never did answer my question BAS: what do you posts hope to achieve?

Sorry - missed that in the flood.

The giving of the best advice I can.

To what ends? Are you just hoping to sound clever?

Do you care if people take that advice or not?

 

[JohnW2]

You never did answer my question BAS: what do you posts hope to achieve?

Sorry - missed that in the flood. ... The giving of the best advice I can.

I can understand that. Your principles, sense of morality, conscience or whatever clearly require you to do that, so I have no problem in understanding that such is what you want/need to achieve for yourself.

However, accepting the above, I think we probably should also ask you (in the context to which we are referring): "What do your posts hope to achieve in terms of the safety of the individual concerned, others in his house and the property itself?"

We're really back to the medical analogy. A doctor may well satisfy himself/herself by 'giving the best advice they can' - to stop smoking, drinking excessively, using drugs etc. However, if it is apparent that this ('best') advice is not going to be heeded, then the patient's best interests, under the circumstances, (which the doctor will normally be required to attempt to achieve) would best be served by the doctor saying/doing: "... since you are not prepared/able to take my 'best' advice, then I would advise you to (or 'I will treat you with') in order to reduce the risks of (or attempt to treat) the consequences of your decision.

Kind Regards, John

 

[ekmdgrf]

I was coming more from the angle that BAS might achieve a more positive outcome by simply presenting the same suggestion in a different way.

I'm trying to understand BAS's logic. Maybe he actually believes that everyone else is wrong and his approach of calling people stupid f***ers really is most effective in getting people to change their behaviour.

Maybe he believes that by doing so, he's done all he can and the rest is up to them. That's a strange approach since BAS could do more by presenting better to yield higher take up of his ideas. That's within his power.

I'm trying to work out if BAS's objective is simple to give advice or to have that advice acted upon.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

To what ends? Are you just hoping to sound clever?

Do you care if people take that advice or not?

Why are you doing this?

I explained to him about the need for the person signing the certificates to have actually done what he's signing to say he did.

I asked him, quite politely, why he thought he had a ring, how he was going to do testing, how he would isolate the supply, what he was going to do about Building Regulations, and he just ignored every question. And AFAIR, he's ignored every question other people have asked him (but I'm not going to wade through 14 pages to look for any odd exceptions).

He just kept on asking people here do do his job for him. Even after I pointed him at all the information he needed to design the circuits himself, he just kept asking, and he kept on finding new ways to show that he was incompetent, and he kept on telling us about more things wrong with his existing installation that he hadn't spotted.

So I reached the point where I genuinely believed that the only thing anybody should tell him was "get an electrician".

As far as I can tell there isn't a single person here, apart from the OP, who doesn't also believe that.


Please explain how I might hope that that would make me sound clever.

 

[JohnW2]

I was coming more from the angle that BAS might achieve a more positive outcome by simply presenting the same suggestion in a different way.

Sure, we all think that - but, as I said, he has been told that countless times, without anything changing. As I wrote:

We all know that BAS's approach not only indicates a total absence of any 'people skills' but is also almost certainly counter-productive and hence probably usually ineffective. He has many very valid points to make, often points that OPs don't want to hear, and if he adopted a different style, it's probable that his words would far more likely to be heeded. As things are, most people will probably decide to ignore everything he writes just on the basis of his style/approach, without really bothering to pay much attention to what he has actually written. It's a pity - but many of us have told him this more times than we care to remember, yet he never does (probably never could) change.

I'm trying to understand BAS's logic. ... I'm trying to work out if BAS's objective is simple to give advice or to have that advice acted upon.

I think that his recent reply to your question is illuminating, and probably corresponds with what most of us probably believe of him. It seems that he feels compelled to give only 'the best possible advice', in order to satisfy himself that he has complied with the very strong and sincere sense of correctness/ principles/ morality/ whatever which he clearly has - even if it can be argued that by refusing to ('pragmatically') give 'mitigating' (even if not 'best') advice, he may well be increasing the risks to those he is 'advising'. In other words, it would seem that he probably regards sticking to his own (strongly and sincerely held) principles as being far more important than trying to help improve the safety of others.

Kind Regards, John

 

[ban-all-sheds]

However, accepting the above, I think we probably should also ask you (in the context to which we are referring): "What do your posts hope to achieve in terms of the safety of the individual concerned, others in his house and the property itself?"

The taking of the best advice possible.

We're really back to the medical analogy.

Which is badly flawed.

You cannot compare someone making a conscious decision to do electrical work which they are incompetent to do with someone who is addicted, or habitualised/conditioned to modes of behaviour, or who lacks willpower etc.

A much better medical analogy would be someone who was not a heroin user going to his doctor and saying "I've decided to start using heroin, will you help me please?" Or for one with no legal complications, "I've decided to start overeating, start smoking and to stop taking any exercise. Will you please help me to gain weight as quickly as possible, and to get my tobacco consumption high?"