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When you read through this post it takes on the appearance of a playground.

The usual bunch simply shout a lot , make no points to support their argument and then resort to name calling

When it all goes quiet they start giggling to themselves about just how clever they are.

The last three posts are a perfect example.

When you read through this post it takes on the appearance of a playground.

The usual bunch simply shout a lot , make no points to support their argument and then resort to name calling

When it all goes quiet they start giggling to themselves about just how clever they are.

The last three posts are a perfect example.

So what does your ally (whom you didn't criticize) add to the debate by shouting racist, then posting insults and paragraph upon paragraph of waffle?

Isn't that exactly what you accused us of? Only difference with reindeer is that no one's laughing with him. But then again, you're both singing from the same hymn sheet, so he won't come in for criticism.

None of us have mentioned being clever. Maybe it's just the low quality of yours and reindeers posts that give that impression.
 
First - RNR isn't my ally (check other threads and you'll find that I've criticised some of his posts)

What is frustrating about this (and similar threads) is that as soon as somebody disagrees with one of the usual bunch (of which I would count you as one) they are greeted by a pack a howling dissent, very rarely does anybody respond to a direct question.

There are always (at least) two points of view in any discussion but rarely does any thread progress more than a few pages before the gang gets together.

RNR and I don't sing from the same hymn sheet and I have previously criticised some of his, in my view, very liberal posts.
 
What is frustrating about this (and similar threads) is that as soon as somebody disagrees with one of the usual bunch (of which I would count you as one) they are greeted by a pack a howling dissent, very rarely does anybody respond to a direct question.

Welcome to every internet forum ever created lol.
 
Thing is RNR tries his hardest to defend the indefensible (Muslim Extremism) , whilst maintaining the facade of defending a minority religious group. I do wonder if he's alive in 50 yrs whether he'll defend Christianity with the same vigour? (somehow I very much doubt it. )
 
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How do you fight 180 million radiacalized *******s with an ideology that has nothing in common with the west?

To be honest, if I knew the answer to that I'd probably not be jumping back onto site tomorrow morning!

My concern is that 1.6 billion people are all being treated as lunatics because of the actions of the lunatics. I genuinely believe that the vast majority of Muslims (or Jews, Christians ,Buddhists, Sikhs, Hindus) have no desire to dominate the world or slaughter everybody who isn't of their faith

I've (so far) being lucky enough to work with a real cross section of people and when it comes down to it the majority of people have the same core values.

As far as the screaming lunatics who are intent on slaughtering other humans using any religion as an excuse they should be dealt with either by reason or by force.

A good example of using religion as a pretext for violence are the two recent incidents of the slaughter of children at the school in Pakistan and the abduction of children in Nigeria by Boko Haram - nobody but a raving lunatic could ever believe that their God would approve of those actions.
 
My concern is that 1.6 billion people are all being treated as lunatics because of the actions of the lunatics. I genuinely believe that the vast majority of Muslims (or Jews, Christians ,Buddhists, Sikhs, Hindus) have no desire to dominate the world or slaughter everybody who isn't of their faith

I'd like to think you're right, but two things concern me.

Firstly, just about all the trouble we hear about these days is caused by Muslim extremists, whilst other religions never seem to feature. The protest marches with placards stating an intention to take over the world are all undertaken by Muslims. Jews, Christians, Buddhists, Sikhs and Hindus do not appear to do this.

Secondly, although it is true that all these killings are being done by what may be a minority of Muslims, the majority don't seem to be offering much criticism.
 
Another point, most moderate Muslims, will not report suspicions to the police, as they are loathe to report a fellow Muslim. These are the ones asking us to trust them.
 
And as if to prove the point

Well done!

Go on, try to post an interesting discussion point - try really hard and see if you can.

Sorry, I couldn't resist it.

tbh, I have almost given up posting serious comments. I am always open to listen to anyone's point of view so long as it is said in a proper manner. People like RNR will never listen to anyone's point of view unless it is the same as his/hers. Most of the stuff posted on here is banter with the few exceptions of course.

You are correct in that a lot of the discussions turn into playground arguments but in the end there is nothing left to say to the playground bully. It is pointless trying to get a serious answer out of the likes of RNR who cannot post with including the word 'racist' and just loves to display how intellectual he thinks he is. His post are too long and let's face it, repetative and boring. Then you get the likes of Nosey who just jump in to wind everyone up and I suspect don't really believe what they spout anyway.

I am not sure about you because I have never really had too much discussion with you, but for starters, do YOU accept that just because someone has serious questions about immigration in this country, it doesn't mean that they are a 'racist?' If you can agree on that then there is room for a serious discussion.

I happened to think that the 'ignore a bore button' quip was funny and light relief to what was a tedious thread. Sorry!
 
Name one Islamic country which practices good civil rights, maintains egalitarianism, and supports even half decent gay rights.

If you defend Islam you either realize you are defending a poisonous ideology and you are therefore amoral, or you are simply delusional
 
First of all, it appears that squeaky is trying to be the poster with the most, without actually making any comment at all! It begs the question, "did somebody squeak?"
Five of his seven posts in the last couple of pages didn’t contribute anything, absolutely nothing! That must be some kind of record, although not one to be proud of.

Whitespirit’s post is incredible because , after some silly comments of his own, he ends by suggesting my and newboy’s comments are of low quality. How hypocritical is that:
The usual bunch simply shout a lot , make no points to support their argument and then resort to name calling
So what does your ally (whom you didn't criticize) add to the debate by shouting racist, then posting insults and paragraph upon paragraph of waffle?
Isn't that exactly what you accused us of? Only difference with reindeer is that no one's laughing with him. But then again, you're both singing from the same hymn sheet, so he won't come in for criticism.
None of us have mentioned being clever. Maybe it's just the low quality of yours and reindeers posts that give that impression.

Cajar suggests that all internet forums are the same.
Sorry to disagree, only those inhabited by those who cannot discuss the topic, without resort to offence and insults, are similar.

Norcon posts a comment loaded with his usual exaggerated and racist terms:
How do you fight 180 million radiacalized *******s with an ideology that has nothing in common with the west?
Well, norcon, how do you object to half a dozen radical fundamentalist racists?

Jockscott falls into the same trap as johnmelad and norcon thinking that there’s only an either/or position:
Thing is RNR tries his hardest to defend the indefensible (Muslim Extremism) , whilst maintaining the facade of defending a minority religious group.
He obviously hasn’t read my comment a couple of pages ago. Perhaps he should try to keep up.

JBR’s comment demonstrates that he must have put BBC news on ignore also.
Firstly, just about all the trouble we hear about these days is caused by Muslim extremists, whilst other religions never seem to feature. The protest marches with placards stating an intention to take over the world are all undertaken by Muslims. Jews, Christians, Buddhists, Sikhs and Hindus do not appear to do this.
Does he not remember the 1000’s of Palestinians killed recently (over the last several years) by Israelis? Not to mention the millions of Iraqis and Afghanistanis.
Muslims are on the receiving end of persecution and have been for several years, by christians and jews. Now that there are some fundamentalists retaliating it’s described as terrorism. Whereas the initital action against muslims (palestinians) was pure land-grab and re-location of the indigenous people. Or even worse, indiscriminate bombing.
One would think that Buddhists would have an acceptable reason to retalliate after the millions killed in the 60's early 70's.
He also forgets the conflicts in Si Lanka, Thailand, India/Pakistan etc.
So let's not kid ourselves that we have the moral high ground.


Squeaky adopts the guise of immigration to camouflage his racist views:
do YOU accept that just because someone has serious questions about immigration in this country, it doesn't mean that they are a 'racist?' If you can agree on that then there is room for a serious discussion.
Just like johnmelad tried to hide his racist opinions behind animal welfare and other causes.
I honestly believe that that the racists on this forum are simply that: racists, and they will use any pretext to preach their radical fundamentalism.
As johnmelad posts, he’s just simply islamophobic. I was going to quote him but I see his recent threads seem to have disappeared. I wonder why.

If immigration is a concern, then I and others, as they have demonstrated, are more than willing to engage in sensible dialogue. But sadly the members of the hyponoia gang compete amongst themselves to see who can be most racially offensive, all under the pretext of discussing immigration.
Invariably norcon is the undisputed champion of the most racially offensive.

Finally, the comment about me being insulting to racists. Why not? They are offensive and insulting people but when they are insulted they cry foul!
How childish is that.
 
As johnmelad posts, he’s just simply islamophobic.

Islamaphobia does not exist. A phobia is an overwhelming and unreasonable fear. Fearing Islam is not unreasonable in this day and age, go look at the evidence.
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Islamophobia is a term for prejudice against, hatred towards, or fear of the religion of Islam, Muslims, or of ethnic groups perceived to be Muslim.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamophobia[/QUOTE]
Perhaps you'd care to take up this discussion with Wikipedia?

While you're at it perhaps you'd care to converse with Uni of California, Centre for Race and Gender, and many other notable organisations.

The term "Islamophobia" was first introduced as a concept in a 1991 Runnymede Trust Report and defined as "unfounded hostility towards Muslims
http://crg.berkeley.edu/content/islamophobia/defining-islamophobia[/QUOTE]
the above article continues with:
Islamophobia is a contrived fear or prejudice fomented by the existing Eurocentric and Orientalist global power structure. It is directed at a perceived or real Muslim threat through the maintenance and extension of existing disparities in economic, political, social and cultural relations, while rationalizing the necessity to deploy violence as a tool to achieve "civilizational rehab" of the target communities (Muslim or otherwise). Islamophobia reintroduces and reaffirms a global racial structure through which resource distribution disparities are maintained and extended.
 
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