Registered electrician advice please

sounds like you have paid the electricians for the work directly and now need to deal with the company registered with nic.
to use an analogy, if you had your car repaired by someone working in the local MOT centre but wanted an MOT certificate... that would need to come from the tester associated with that business. even if it is the person who has repaired your car, the certificate is signed by him but the certificate is registered to the business with the ministry of transport. not sure if that makes sense?

That's pretty much it. We still paid the same price and I was under the assumption the quote from the company included sign off (which it should) His quote doesn't mention sign off, but why would it.

If he's now going to say because we didn't go direct with him its £150, then I'd be fairly insulted since he arranged his electricians to come and do the work in their own time to get it done quicker!

As for the Consumer Unit, its a Qwikline, NOT a Qwikline II

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£60 for an rcbo :eek:

I'd have fitted an RCD FCU next the CU for about a tenner.

Sounds like you shouldn't be letting these idiots anywhere near your electrical installation.
 
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£60 for an rcbo :eek:

I'd have fitted an RCD FCU next the CU for about a tenner.

Sounds like you shouldn't be letting these idiots anywhere near your electrical installation.

RCD FCU wasn't an option due to the room just being finished decorated and wallpapered in some fairly expensive paper - another reason why we've been trying to avoid a new CU. As I've mentioned before, the sparkies who came to do the work are fully trustworthy. Their boss who deals with the paperwork sounds a bit of a billy bullsh*tter. I'm not entirely sure how they think they can get away with misquoting/ripping people off in this day.
Took me a whole 5 minutes of posting on this forum to find out he's overcharging!
 
Sorry but they're not trustworthy at all. The lighting should never have been commissioned without RCD protection and anyone who tells you otherwise is either incompetent or lying.
 
Sorry but they're not trustworthy at all. The lighting should never have been commissioned without RCD protection and anyone who tells you otherwise is either incompetent or lying.

It's not been commissioned yet, hence this thread. The lights aren't connected
 
essentially I can call their boss back and ask him what exactly I'm paying £150 for since the work is notifiable to NICEIC anyway which covers the building notification/Part P.
Mmmm. Can of worms it is opened have you.

The work was not done by the firm, and it will be the firm which is registered with NICEIC, and the firm which is allowed to self-certify Building Regulations compliance. The employees will not be registered in their own right and cannot self certify in their own right, and yet it is they who did the work in their own right.


Is there anyway I can check to see if they've notified NICEIC of my work?
The firm won't until you pay them.

In practice the authorities will do nothing about the failure of the electricians to notify in advance, or to you for not using a registered electrician. I fully accept that you didn't know how it works - no reason why you should be aware of the subtleties, but unfortunately those subtleties mean that you did not use a registered electrician (which I expect was what you promised to do), and it is those subtleties which Billy Bullshіtter is exploiting to charge you £150.


I have no questions at all regarding the electricians who did the work, they're extremely honest with me, and have been very open with what's been going on. It's just their boss who I am now dealing with..
And if you don't pay for the work it will be them as individuals who you are not paying, not the company for whom they work.


Now just to call their boss tomorrow and ask what the £150 covers.
I'd say yes, do that, but only because I would love to hear the explanation he gives you.

The reality is that the £150 covers him saying that his company did the work when it did not, and ensuring that you get the compliance certification which you need, the lack of which would cost you a lot more than £150 to sort out.

The reality is that you're going to have to pay him. [ROCK] {you} [HARD PLACE]


As I've mentioned before, the sparkies who came to do the work are fully trustworthy.
Well - they can't be trusted to put any effort into finding out, or knowing about, RCBOs for your CU - they just took the lazy route.


I'm not entirely sure how they think they can get away with misquoting/ripping people off in this day.
Because they can. That £150 is quite cleverly pitched.


Took me a whole 5 minutes of posting on this forum to find out he's overcharging!
There is no recognised scale of charges for taking payments to say you did something which you did not.

Did the electricians really do the work in their own time? Was there any evidence of them using company tools, company vans etc? Where did they get the materials - did they buy them themselves, or get them from the company? What's on any invoices you've had - names, VAT numbers etc? It is possible that a case could be made to say that it was really the company who did the work, but who would do that, and what would it cost?

He knows that if you don't pay he can just walk away, and lose nothing, and not face any comeback from anybody.

You might as well complain to NICEIC about what he's done - doubt they'll do anything but it won't hurt. And if you don't get a VAT receipt for the £150, then after you have paid and after they've notified, ask for one and one for the rest of the work, because one thing you can do is to sic HMRC onto him with a tale of suspected VAT evasion by pretending that work is being done by employees in their spare time.
 
RCD FCU wasn't an option due to the room just being finished decorated and wallpapered in some fairly expensive paper
It could go here - hard up against the CU and the ceiling - wouldn't damage the wallpaper at all.

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But where is the CU, people don't normally use expensive wallpaper (or indeed any wallpaper) in the locations normally used for CUs...
 
essentially I can call their boss back and ask him what exactly I'm paying £150 for since the work is notifiable to NICEIC anyway which covers the building notification/Part P.
Mmmm. Can of worms it is opened have you.

The work was not done by the firm, and it will be the firm which is registered with NICEIC, and the firm which is allowed to self-certify Building Regulations compliance. The employees will not be registered in their own right and cannot self certify in their own right, and yet it is they who did the work in their own right.


Is there anyway I can check to see if they've notified NICEIC of my work?
The firm won't until you pay them.

In practice the authorities will do nothing about the failure of the electricians to notify in advance, or to you for not using a registered electrician. I fully accept that you didn't know how it works - no reason why you should be aware of the subtleties, but unfortunately those subtleties mean that you did not use a registered electrician (which I expect was what you promised to do), and it is those subtleties which Billy Bullshіtter is exploiting to charge you £150.


I have no questions at all regarding the electricians who did the work, they're extremely honest with me, and have been very open with what's been going on. It's just their boss who I am now dealing with..
And if you don't pay for the work it will be them as individuals who you are not paying, not the company for whom they work.


Now just to call their boss tomorrow and ask what the £150 covers.
I'd say yes, do that, but only because I would love to hear the explanation he gives you.

The reality is that the £150 covers him saying that his company did the work when it did not, and ensuring that you get the compliance certification which you need, the lack of which would cost you a lot more than £150 to sort out.

The reality is that you're going to have to pay him. [ROCK] {you} [HARD PLACE]


As I've mentioned before, the sparkies who came to do the work are fully trustworthy.
Well - they can't be trusted to put any effort into finding out, or knowing about, RCBOs for your CU - they just took the lazy route.


I'm not entirely sure how they think they can get away with misquoting/ripping people off in this day.
Because they can. That £150 is quite cleverly pitched.


Took me a whole 5 minutes of posting on this forum to find out he's overcharging!
There is no recognised scale of charges for taking payments to say you did something which you did not.

Did the electricians really do the work in their own time? Was there any evidence of them using company tools, company vans etc? Where did they get the materials - did they buy them themselves, or get them from the company? What's on any invoices you've had - names, VAT numbers etc? It is possible that a case could be made to say that it was really the company who did the work, but who would do that, and what would it cost?

He knows that if you don't pay he can just walk away, and lose nothing, and not face any comeback from anybody.

You might as well complain to NICEIC about what he's done - doubt they'll do anything but it won't hurt. And if you don't get a VAT receipt for the £150, then after you have paid and after they've notified, ask for one and one for the rest of the work, because one thing you can do is to sic HMRC onto him with a tale of suspected VAT evasion by pretending that work is being done by employees in their spare time.

Quite detailed so wont try to sub quote, but from what you've said it seems true. The electricians came straight from work in the evenings in their work vans, using the supplies in the work van and their own tools since they use them for their job. Obviously theres no way to tell though.

As you mentioned too, the electricians are no doubt registered with NICEIC through the company, but not individually and without the £150 being paid to him, theres no comeback on him, in which case I would need the council to come out and sign the work off which is £150 anyway. Bit p*ssed off at that to be fair since it was never mentioned when he suggested getting them to come do it after their day jobs, and it'd have just been £150 cheaper to wait a few weeks and have got their boss to organise it. It'd still have had the same electricians do it anyway.

Might as well just pay the £150 and avoid using him as the company for any electrical work in the future. Will just go direct to the guys themselves if it's not requiring a sign off.

I've lost my patience with almost every tradesman we've had round, and how they all think they can go about bullsh*tting and thinking I'm not going to do my research.

Thanks for the help all anyway, saved me £300 or so on the cost of a new CU
 
essentially I can call their boss back and ask him what exactly I'm paying £150 for since the work is notifiable to NICEIC anyway which covers the building notification/Part P.
Mmmm. Can of worms it is opened have you.

The work was not done by the firm, and it will be the firm which is registered with NICEIC, and the firm which is allowed to self-certify Building Regulations compliance. The employees will not be registered in their own right and cannot self certify in their own right, and yet it is they who did the work in their own right.


Is there anyway I can check to see if they've notified NICEIC of my work?
The firm won't until you pay them.

In practice the authorities will do nothing about the failure of the electricians to notify in advance, or to you for not using a registered electrician. I fully accept that you didn't know how it works - no reason why you should be aware of the subtleties, but unfortunately those subtleties mean that you did not use a registered electrician (which I expect was what you promised to do), and it is those subtleties which Billy Bullshіtter is exploiting to charge you £150.


I have no questions at all regarding the electricians who did the work, they're extremely honest with me, and have been very open with what's been going on. It's just their boss who I am now dealing with..
And if you don't pay for the work it will be them as individuals who you are not paying, not the company for whom they work.


Now just to call their boss tomorrow and ask what the £150 covers.
I'd say yes, do that, but only because I would love to hear the explanation he gives you.

The reality is that the £150 covers him saying that his company did the work when it did not, and ensuring that you get the compliance certification which you need, the lack of which would cost you a lot more than £150 to sort out.

The reality is that you're going to have to pay him. [ROCK] {you} [HARD PLACE]


As I've mentioned before, the sparkies who came to do the work are fully trustworthy.
Well - they can't be trusted to put any effort into finding out, or knowing about, RCBOs for your CU - they just took the lazy route.


I'm not entirely sure how they think they can get away with misquoting/ripping people off in this day.
Because they can. That £150 is quite cleverly pitched.


Took me a whole 5 minutes of posting on this forum to find out he's overcharging!
There is no recognised scale of charges for taking payments to say you did something which you did not.

Did the electricians really do the work in their own time? Was there any evidence of them using company tools, company vans etc? Where did they get the materials - did they buy them themselves, or get them from the company? What's on any invoices you've had - names, VAT numbers etc? It is possible that a case could be made to say that it was really the company who did the work, but who would do that, and what would it cost?

He knows that if you don't pay he can just walk away, and lose nothing, and not face any comeback from anybody.

You might as well complain to NICEIC about what he's done - doubt they'll do anything but it won't hurt. And if you don't get a VAT receipt for the £150, then after you have paid and after they've notified, ask for one and one for the rest of the work, because one thing you can do is to sic HMRC onto him with a tale of suspected VAT evasion by pretending that work is being done by employees in their spare time.

Quite detailed so wont try to sub quote, but from what you've said it seems true. The electricians came straight from work in the evenings in their work vans, using the supplies in the work van and their own tools since they use them for their job. Obviously theres no way to tell though.

As you mentioned too, the electricians are no doubt registered with NICEIC through the company, but not individually and without the £150 being paid to him, theres no comeback on him, in which case I would need the council to come out and sign the work off which is £150 anyway. Bit p*ssed off at that to be fair since it was never mentioned when he suggested getting them to come do it after their day jobs, and it'd have just been £150 cheaper to wait a few weeks and have got their boss to organise it. It'd still have had the same electricians do it anyway.

Might as well just pay the £150 and avoid using him as the company for any electrical work in the future. Will just go direct to the guys themselves if it's not requiring a sign off.

I've lost my patience with almost every tradesman we've had round, and how they all think they can go about bullsh*tting and thinking I'm not going to do my research.

Thanks for the help all anyway, saved me £300 or so on the cost of a new CU

RCD FCU wasn't an option due to the room just being finished decorated and wallpapered in some fairly expensive paper
It could go here - hard up against the CU and the ceiling - wouldn't damage the wallpaper at all.

screenshot_761.jpg


But where is the CU, people don't normally use expensive wallpaper (or indeed any wallpaper) in the locations normally used for CUs...

In a study, but it's located in a stupid place and it's the only place to paper. Don't ask!
 
As there is no requirement to comply with BS7671, you can't really say that not doing so is breaking the law, although BS7671 compliance is probably a condition of their scheme membership.
My point was based on the fact that certain requirements given in BS7671, regarding the addition of safety devices has not been followed. Therefore Part P has not been complied to, given that it ask's that reasonable provisions for safety should be in place. The absence of RCD protection, would in my opinion come under this umbrella!
 
Evo - did you get anywhere with this today? I am not trying to justify the way this has been dealt with, but is the price you paid the electricians + the £150 fee to the owner inline with quotes for this work?
 
Evo - did you get anywhere with this today? I am not trying to justify the way this has been dealt with, but is the price you paid the electricians + the £150 fee to the owner inline with quotes for this work?

Everything I was quoted was inline with other quotes I had elsewhere. The only thing is the £150 which wasn't on the quote from the boss/company itself as it would have been included.

I've text their boss this morning asking what the £150 covers as been told it'll get sign off through a competent person scheme anyway. Shall wait to hear his response, but I suspect that due to the agreement he can simply walk away and then refuse to sign it off if I p*ss him off. The only thing that comes back on him though is that his employees land in a mess, which I would rather avoid
 
Everything I was quoted was inline with other quotes I had elsewhere. The only thing is the £150 which wasn't on the quote from the boss/company itself as it would have been included.
ah this is what i feared for you: paying £150 more than the going rate :( I would be inclined to call him/her and explain that whilst you are grateful he arranged for his staff to work evenings to slot in with your kitchen work it was on the understanding as a registered firm with nic you would receive the appropriate documentation. You can also drop in to the conversation you understand they have a certain amount of time from when the job is completed to notify. he/she should then twigg you have seeked advice elsewhere and may not want to risk getting any calls from nic about the way he operates.
let us know how you get on.
 

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