clearance around gas hob

[stevegos]

In my kitchen I have a gas hob that was fitted in 2003 along with the works to create the alcove the hob sits in. Its fitted into an old chimney alcove - see the attached photo.

I need to change the hob for a new gas hob and also will be renting out the property thus will need a landlord gas cert.

The existing height inside the alcove is 716mm, 850mm wide, 340mm deep, 140mm gap either side of hob. There is no combustible material on the side or above.

I understand there is a minimum clearance gap of 760mm above a gas hob in the regulations since 2009 but reading the regulations it always seems to says the clearances are to combustible materials. Would this affect me getting a landlord cert as the work was done pre-reg changes and whilst I have less clearances they are to non-combustible materials?

Can anyone offer advice on the above.

I have considered changing the hob to an electric one but there is no suitable electric supply near the hob.

 

[Agile]

The Gas Check for letting is a snapshot view of the installation.

In spite of what a few gas guys may say, they should give you the Certificate regardless of what they find unless anything is very serious and classed as At Risk or Immediately Dangerous.

Those clearances when to non combustible materials are classed as not meeting the maker's requirements but in most cases are certainly not serious enough to be rated as At Risk so should be noted on the Certificate but nothing more.

There used to be a lesser classification of Not to Current Standards but this now has been withdrawn.

Tony

 

[muggles]

Check the manufacturers installation instructions for your new hob - they may give smaller clearances and they override the regs

 

[picasso]

There used to be a lesser classification of Not to Current Standards but this now has been withdrawn.

Tony

Not to current standards has not been withdrawn, the responsible person should always be notified if any are found.

 

[FiremanT]

The Gas Check for letting is a snapshot view of the installation.

In spite of what a few gas guys may say, they should give you the Certificate regardless of what they find unless anything is very serious and classed as At Risk or Immediately Dangerous.


Tony

Wrong, Tony. The cert should be issued regardless of the severity of issues. I would expect the topp 100 RGI's to know that.

NTCS is there, but there is no REQUIREMENT to inform, and must not be entered on warnong notice. Personally,I always inform on the job sheet/invoice

 

[Steelmasons]

The Gas Check for letting is a snapshot view of the installation.

In spite of what a few gas guys may say, they should give you the Certificate regardless of what they find unless anything is very serious and classed as At Risk or Immediately Dangerous.

In spite of what you say Picasso and FT seem to be a couple of "gas guys" that disagree with you Tony...
Any comments???
BTW , I find myself to be the 3rd "gas guy" that disagrees with you..

 

[FiremanT]

OP: Forgot to actually respond to you.
Are there any signs of distress or scorching to the cabinetry? If not, it will be regarded as Not to current standards (NTCS). Your RGI may or may not record this on the paperwork, but the cert should still be issued. As Tony, says, it is a "snapshot", not a certificate that all is 100%. You will not tnee to alter anything if it is NTCS.
It might be a good idea to check with the RGI that he will issue the LLGSC, regardless of his findings (as he should).

If you post your location, you may find a good RGI here. Someone islikely to repost it in the section for RGIs only

 

[FastDog]

Check the manufacturers installation instructions for your new hob - they may give smaller clearances and they override the regs

Interesting point you make muggles. I have a gas hob (NEFF) intallation due next week from John Lewis. When I went to their shop I was shown a diagram that specified the clearances required and my kitchen meets those requirements. However, when I go to order it on-line there was a little quiz and that had different more stringent requirements. Looking at the actual installation instructions the kitchen will meet the requirements. Also, from other various sellers who provide guidance on this topic they show it is OK. By way of background the house is around 12 years old, so maybe the gas regs have changed since it was built?

So from what you say is it that the manufacturers instructions should betaken in case of dispute?

Thanks

 

[FiremanT]

There was me, thinking Tony had made a comeback

 

[muggles]

Interesting point you make muggles. I have a gas hob (NEFF) intallation due next week from John Lewis. When I went to their shop I was shown a diagram that specified the clearances required and my kitchen meets those requirements. However, when I go to order it on-line there was a little quiz and that had different more stringent requirements. Looking at the actual installation instructions the kitchen will meet the requirements. Also, from other various sellers who provide guidance on this topic they show it is OK. By way of background the house is around 12 years old, so maybe the gas regs have changed since it was built?

So from what you say is it that the manufacturers instructions should betaken in case of dispute?

Thanks

Correct, but you might be better off buying the hob and paying an independent installer separately rather than using a John Lewis installer who may be under instruction to comply with JL's own stricter dimensions

 

[durhamplumber]

spite of what a few gas guys may say, they should give you the Certificate regardless of what they find unless anything is very serious and classed as At Risk or Immediately Dangerous.

That is a very questionable,iffy statement,bordering on the "wearing blinkers"approach to gas safety,,as long as its ok 'til I leave attitude

 

[FiremanT]

That is a very questionable,iffy statement,bordering on the "wearing blinkers"approach to gas safety,,as long as its ok 'til I leave attitude

Durham, it is not “iffy” at all. Well, it is, but in the opposite direction to your POV.

The LLGSC is a snapshot on the day. It is issued, good or bad. It records any ID or AR situations, but not NCS.

Why are guys still not getting this?

 

[durhamplumber]

The Gas Check for letting is a snapshot view of the installation.

In spite of what a few gas guys may say, they should give you the Certificate regardless of what they find unless anything is very serious and classed as At Risk or Immediately Dangerous.

Those clearances when to non combustible materials are classed as not meeting the maker's requirements but in most cases are certainly not serious enough to be rated as At Risk so should be noted on the Certificate but nothing more.

There used to be a lesser classification of Not to Current Standards but this now has been withdrawn.

Tony

So you wo

Durham, it is not “iffy” at all. Well, it is, but in the opposite direction to your POV.

The LLGSC is a snapshot on the day. It is issued, good or bad. It records any ID or AR situations, but not NCS.

Why are guys still not getting this?

They are,,you are simplifying it.You make it sound very much like if something looks well dodgy,,you will pass it as long as no sh..t happens before you depart the room.I disagree with your sentiment of "snapshot"

 

[FiremanT]

You are completely wrong, Durham. There is no Pass or Fail. It IS a snapshot. You do not ignore issues - you RECORD them, and take appropriate action. The landlord has a DOC and you have a duty to correctly carry out the inspection and record the findings and issue the cert with those findings. The LL may or may not instruct you to carry out remedials, but that is a different matter.

This is basic, and has been discussed a zillion times.

In the event if an AR or ID, what DO you do, in respect of a LLGSC visit?

 

[durhamplumber]

You are completely wrong, Durham. There is no Pass or Fail. It IS a snapshot. You do not ignore issues - you RECORD them, and take appropriate action. The landlord has a DOC and you have a duty to correctly carry out the inspection and record the findings and issue the cert with those findings. The LL may or may not instruct you to carry out remedials, but that is a different matter.

This is basic, and has been discussed a zillion times.

In the event if an AR or ID, what DO you do, in respect of a LLGSC visit?

We will agree to disagree,,not worth dancing around head of pin about precise definitions of words etc..