You said you wouldn't post in here again and you have.
You said you wouldn't post in the electrical forum unless winston apologised. He didn't and you do.
So either lied or your word is worth nothing. I would go with nothing in your case.
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You said you wouldn't post in here again and you have.
You said you wouldn't post in the electrical forum unless winston apologised. He didn't and you do.
So either lied or your word is worth nothing. I would go with nothing in your case.
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I see that the X facist dictarship (spain) has sneaked in on the Brexit negotiations with ref gibralter 
The UK should campaign on behalf of the basque's who want an independence referendum in order to break away from Spain.
Spain with the biggest snout in the EU trough
The UK should campaign on behalf of the basque's who want an independence referendum in order to break away from Spain.
Spain with the biggest snout in the EU trough
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Still waiting for any evidence that it will turn out better.
Anything. Just one report that points to something that will give us a long term prosperity. Something that will course the economy to be lower that if we stayed.
If everyone is saying it will be a lower GDP, why do you think different? I'd rather not base the future of our country on blind hope.
Because its not just about losing trade deals (of which we currently have many in the EU), or free trade with the EU (which account for 40% of our exports). See quote below for a hint:
"Although she concedes that exporters to the EU will have to obey EU rules, the more Mrs May insists on controlling EU migration and escaping the ECJ, the less barrier-free will be Britain’s overall access to the single market. This is not just because free movement of people is a condition for the EU, nor because it will be hard to secure tariff-free access for trade in goods, something both sides can readily agree on. It is because the biggest obstacles swept away by the single market are not tariffs or customs checks, but non-tariff barriers such as standards, regulations and state-aid rules. Unless Britain accepts these, which implies a role for the system’s referee, the ECJ, it cannot operate freely in the single market—as even American firms trading in the EU have found."
http://www.economist.com/news/leade...-offs-ahead-britains-brutal-encounter-reality
So you may enjoy some rule relaxed if you don't export (although you probably won't won't as we are taking all EU law anyway), but if we lose as much trade as has been projected, you might be out of a job anyway. Remember, I have shown multiple sources showing forecasts saying that we will be worse off. I'm open to anything that counters that, but right now, even devaluing the pound won't solve our problems. We need a long term solution, and the best (although not easiest politically) would be to stay.
I like my job. I like my city, I like my country. I want them all to do well. But Hull is more vulnerable than most cities (large manufacturing base), and the North in general is vulnerable.
But lets also mention the cost. As well the list I've posted of Brexit costs, lets also add £500million for a new colour passport. [sarcasm]Yes, because that's so worth it.[sarcasm/]
So soveriegnty wasn't an issue after all, although we seem to have lost it to an extent.
We will be a rule taker rather than a rule maker (as I have already show).
We'll spend well over £60billion doing it (see list earlier)
Our economy will suffer, with no evidence that we'll find any new trade that will adequately replace what we lose.
Science sector will suffer. (Job losses have already started.)
We'll have more civil servants &red tape.
Financial services (our biggest earner) will suffer, and the Governent doesn't even consider it a high priority!. Banks have already started to move out, and I know of at least one firm that will go to the wall.
And Gibralter,N.Ireland, and Scotland suddenly become major issues again when we thought they were sorted.
Remind me again what rules you wanted changing to make this all worthwhile beyond some nebulous feelings of pride?
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There is none. Just as there is none to suggest it will turn out any worse.
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The UK is the 2nd biggest contributer to the EU after germany.
one of only 2 military powers in the EU
one of the only 2 european countries that contribute 2% or more of there GDP to nato
(poland is the other) The EU is has been bricking it since the Brexit vote.
27 coutries united in the Brexit talks , speaking with one voice yeah right in your dreams
The EU have a certain responsibility to what went on in the Ukraine. There has not been a conflict in Europe sine the Balkans. & certainly not a conflict in western Europe since WW2. Perhaps we are due one ??
gibralter ?? Spain ?? EU = scoundrels un-elected scoundrels. X soviet states, dictaterships & military juntas
one of only 2 military powers in the EU
one of the only 2 european countries that contribute 2% or more of there GDP to nato
(poland is the other) The EU is has been bricking it since the Brexit vote.
27 coutries united in the Brexit talks , speaking with one voice
yeah right in your dreams The EU have a certain responsibility to what went on in the Ukraine. There has not been a conflict in Europe sine the Balkans. & certainly not a conflict in western Europe since WW2. Perhaps we are due one ??
gibralter ?? Spain ??
EU = scoundrels un-elected scoundrels. X soviet states, dictaterships & military juntas
How much does the UK contribute per head of population?
How much do equally prosperous, smaller countries, such as Belgium and Holland, contribute per head?
Gibraltar is our main Navy Base station and listening post, to hand it over to Spain will affect our Security, its like handing over the Falklands to Argentina without consulting its inhabitants
Pretty much every fiscal institution predicted the economy would shrink after a vote leave. Not just when we actually left, but after the vote itself. The very act of voting Leave was supposed to cause an immediate recession; rising unemployment, stock collapse and devaluing of pensions.
As it happened the economy grew more during the six months after the vote than in the six months before it, and finished the year as the world’s most successful major economy. Unemployment fell and British stocks were the best performing in Europe.
You can't have evidence of the future, but there is no shortage of evidence that past economic predictions have zero credibility.
Amend the working time directive so lorry drivers don't have to take pointless breaks on journeys that are already interrupted by long breaks at depots.
Gibraltar isn't even in the EU. The PM is right to discard Span's demands out of hand.
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I'm sorry Wobs, but your obsession with staying in the EU shows just how much blind faith you are placing in them, rather than the country you live in. Nothing you've said is anything other than the normal doom mongering that all the remoaners sprout, and why may I ask (rhetorical I should add) can't we agree to the ECJ ruling on trade matter, yet refuse to have them over rule us on internal matters - in leaving, we can agree to set demarcation points to what they have jurisdiction on.
I wouldn't be at all suprised if the government was aware of what Spain would do over Gibralter, and have deliberately set the conditions for a hard brexit that can be blamed on the Spanish.
I do not know & I do not care . The statement was made on the Andrew Neal politics prog
& was agreed upon by the 5 politicians that were there at that time .
If u have a problem with it complain to the BBC
I will find u the contact details for making your said complaint .
Gibraltar is part of the UK ( as is the Falklands) we went to war because of the Falklands, do we just accept Gibraltar is part of Spain and hand it over
Do you think Spain will invade Gibraltar?
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