External Socket Question

[StephenOak]

So locals go into neighbour's gardens at night to abstract electricity?

What do they do with it?

Some people have an odd attitude to things that belong to others (see below). So I can imagine people strolling in to their neighbour's garden to use an external power socket if they don't have one of their own, e.g. to power an electric lawn mower.

But I find it hard to see when they would be doing at night that fitted into this category. I think that is what @ban-all-sheds is getting at.


Where we used to live was terraced houses on a reasonably busy road so most of the, small, front gardens had been paved over to provide for parking. We had an outside tap at the front which had an internal stopcock and we kept it turned off to minimise any water loss if the front tap was left on or got damaged.

One day I heard a noise and looked out to see that the neighbours (somewhat odd people) were tidying up from having washed their cars using out outside tap. We must have left the stopcock on the last time we used the outside tap. So I just turned the stopcock off.

A couple of weeks later I again heard a noise a looked out to see the same neighbours spending a couple of minutes turning our outside tap on and off and being very puzzled as to why there was no water.

They seemed to take it for granted that they were entitled to use it but did not think of speaking to us about it.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

So I can imagine people strolling in to their neighbour's garden to use an external power socket if they don't have one of their own, e.g. to power an electric lawn mower.

I can't, except in the same sort of way I can "imagine" someone committing any crime.

They seemed to take it for granted that they were entitled to use it but did not think of speaking to us about it.

Did you speak to them about it?

 

[StephenOak]

I can't, except in the same sort of way I can "imagine" someone committing any crime.

I seems odd to me in concept, it is not something I would do. Hence I gave an example of someone doing something similar.

Did you speak to them about it?

No. I did say they were odd. On two (or maybe three) occasions they were working on a car and knocked on the door and asked to borrow our socket set. On each occasion I (truthfully) said that we did not have a socket set. And on each occasion they tried quite hard to convince me it was okay to lend it to them by telling me that my wife had lent it to them on a previous occasion.

Now they may have borrowed one from someone else on the street at some time and got confused the first time. But to do that again (maybe twice more) seems odd. And when I say that we don't have a socket set to repeatedly tell me that I am lying ('No, it's okay, your wife lent it to us before') rather than explain whey they are asking ('Sorry, I could have sworn we borrowed one from your wife a while ago'), seems even more odd.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

And did you explain?

Did you say "I'm sorry, you must be mis-remembering, my wife simply can't have lent you a socket set because we simply do not have one", or did you just say "we don't have one"?

 

[StephenOak]

And did you explain?

Did you say "I'm sorry, you must be mis-remembering, my wife simply can't have lent you a socket set because we simply do not have one", or did you just say "we don't have one"?

It was quite a while ago so I can't remember the exact words I used. And I have no idea what distinction you are trying to make between those two. In my mind telling someone that they can't borrow something (which they claim to have borrowed before) because I don't own it implies that they must have made a mistake and misremembered.

 

[bernardgreen]

Or you could have said. "Yes my wife did once lend my socket set to someone but we never got it back, that is why I don't have one ""

 

[ban-all-sheds]

And I have no idea what distinction you are trying to make between those two. In my mind telling someone that they can't borrow something (which they claim to have borrowed before) because I don't own it implies that they must have made a mistake and misremembered.

Fine.

But do stop accusing them of being odd for asking more than once.

 

[StephenOak]

Fine.

But do stop accusing them of being odd for asking more than once.

It is no surprise that people get annoyed with you.

You asked me to choose between two sets of words (neither of which sounds like what I would have said BTW) and when I say I don't know what point you are making, rather than trying to explain you have a go at me and tell me what I am and am not allowed to say.

How exactly does that help anyone?

And you say that you like precision, but you have distorted what I said, which is far from being precise. I did not say they were odd for asking more than once. I said that they were odd and gave two examples; spending a couple of minutes turning a tap on and off as if that will somehow make water appear, and asking on multiple occasions to borrow something and trying to convince me that I did own it when I didn't.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

It is no surprise that people get annoyed with you.

And it is no surprise that you do not understand why the things you say to people make them behave in ways which seem to you to be odd.

When people do get annoyed with me it is very often because they do not appreciate my insightful dissection of their prevarications and muddled thinking.

You asked me to choose between two sets of words (neither of which sounds like what I would have said BTW) and when I say I don't know what point you are making, rather than trying to explain you have a go at me and tell me what I am and am not allowed to say.

I apologise for not realising how hard of thinking you are.

The point I was trying to make is that repeatedly saying to someone "I don't have a socket set" when they clearly think you do, and therefore, in your eyes are "repeatedly telling you that you are lying", without any attempt to explain to them that they must be mistaken about who lent them a socket set makes you no better than them.

How exactly does that help anyone?

And you say that you like precision, but you have distorted what I said, which is far from being precise.

I have not in the slightest. If it seems to you that I have then that is because you have deficiencies in your perception and ability to think logically.


I'll use some colour now, to show the links between what you said, but I fear you may be just as blind to that as you are to reason.

I did not say they were odd for asking more than once.

I said that they were odd and gave two examples; spending a couple of minutes turning a tap on and off as if that will somehow make water appear, and asking on multiple occasions to borrow something and trying to convince me that I did own it when I didn't.[/QUOTE]

And how did you introduce that example?

I did say they were odd. On two (or maybe three) occasions they were working on a car and knocked on the door and asked to borrow our socket set. ...
Now they may have borrowed one from someone else on the street at some time and got confused the first time. But to do that again (maybe twice more) seems odd.

I did not say they were odd for asking more than once.

Yes, you did.

You really, really did.

 

[StephenOak]

OK @ban-all-sheds, you are right about everything and everyone else is wrong.

You know that blowing your own trumpet and throwing out insults is the best way to explain things.

You know that smart and knowledgeable people never try and explain things simply to help other people, they just abuse them for being less smart and knowledgeable.

You know that when I asked you too clarify what you meant I didn't actually want clarify what you meant.

You know what I said years ago better than I did. So you know for a fact that I didn't explain their mistake when that would been most unlike me, but I just kept on robotically saying "I don't have a socket set" when that in turn would have been most unlike me.

You know which of my words were not meant to be read as meaning anything and so could simply be ignored, which is lucky because ignoring those words enables to construct your argument and including those words shows your argument to be nonsense.

 

[EAST61]

I think we can all tell what's going on with BAS, but nevertheless we appreciate his help enough to just let things slide sometimes.

 

[mwatsonxx]

I think we can all tell what's going on with BAS,

What do you think is going on with BAS? I reckon he is a proffesional keyboard tester

 

[ban-all-sheds]

You know that smart and knowledgeable people never try and explain things simply to help other people, they just abuse them for being less smart and knowledgeable.

Like you explained things to try to help those people understand that they were mistaken about the previous loan of a socket set, and that you weren't lying to them?

You know that when I asked you too clarify what you meant I didn't actually want clarify what you meant.

Sorry - no - I didn't realise that. I thought that if you asked me to do something you wanted me to do it. I failed to realise that you think that what you should be doing is asking people to do things you don't want them to do.

You know what I said years ago better than I did. So you know for a fact that I didn't explain their mistake when that would been most unlike me, but I just kept on robotically saying "I don't have a socket set" when that in turn would have been most unlike me.

On each occasion I (truthfully) said that we did not have a socket set.

You know which of my words were not meant to be read as meaning anything and so could simply be ignored, which is lucky because ignoring those words enables to construct your argument and including those words shows your argument to be nonsense.

Which words have I ignored?

Where have you said that you did tell them that they were wrong about who lent them a socket set, which I have ignored? All I can see is where you said that you kept telling them that you didn't have a socket set and that was sufficient because in your mind that implied that they were making a mistake.

And which words have I ignored that show you did not say they were odd for asking more than once?

 

[charliegolf]

BAS, are you the **** who keeps aking him for the socket set?

 

[333rocky333]

We do supermarkets and often find groups of kids charging there mobiles in the kiddieride sockets of an evening