Does this look right?
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Seems to be the way new builds are done these days.
My daughter's NB of 5 years ago had flex outlets at each appliance position and fed from a central grid switch panel of switch and fuse for each outlet. I changed them to SSO's
The last 2 housing developments I've worked on [2016 & 2015] are the same.
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You can push the fridge closer to the wall if the outlet is behind?
I put our fridge socket behind the adjacent cupboard for that reason though, then you can deal with the plug without having to move anything.
I would expect a new build to do that as well, not put pointless FCUs in.
Why not?
Maybe it's an integrated fridge, with a flex outlet behind.
Maybe the switched fused spur supplies several sockets.
Nothing wrong with using a switched fused spur anyway.
Even they come with plugs.
It was clearly labelled "fridge/freezer", not "several sockets".
Absolutely no point if the fridge/freezer has a fused plug on it.
Even they come with plugs.
Yes, but if there is a socket behind the fridge freezer, often the plug will stick out too much for the appliance to get back fully, so flex outlets were often fitted instead.
It was clearly labelled "fridge/freezer", not "several sockets".
Fair enough.
Absolutely no point if the fridge/freezer has a fused plug on it.
Pointless doesn't necessarily mean wrong or unacceptable.
Yes, but if there is a socket behind the fridge freezer, often the plug will stick out too much for the appliance to get back fully, so flex outlets were often fitted instead.
It was clearly labelled "fridge/freezer", not "several sockets".
Fair enough.
Absolutely no point if the fridge/freezer has a fused plug on it.
Pointless doesn't necessarily mean wrong or unacceptable.
It does in the febrile minds of some here.
I'm a fan of fused spurs above teh counter for appliances.... if I need to defrost the freezer, or I have pressed go on the washing machine without putting the tablet in and need to realse the door, I don't want to have to pull the bloody things forward in order to switch them off. Yes you end up with two 13A fuses in series, but does it matter....
If you did away with the 13A plug, you'd cause problems if you have paid currys to deliver and install a new appliance, they'd drop it in the middle of teh floor and clear off as it wasn't what they were expecting, the plug also allows you to isolate teh machine in a was thats obvious when repairing it.
If you did away with the one in the switch and used a 20A DP instead of a spur, you open a can of worms by connecting an accessory not to BS1363 to a ring final....
If you did away with the 13A plug, you'd cause problems if you have paid currys to deliver and install a new appliance, they'd drop it in the middle of teh floor and clear off as it wasn't what they were expecting, the plug also allows you to isolate teh machine in a was thats obvious when repairing it.
If you did away with the one in the switch and used a 20A DP instead of a spur, you open a can of worms by connecting an accessory not to BS1363 to a ring final....
True, but it's the 'obvious' thing to do (if one wants an above-counter switch) - so, unless one is for some reason 'forced' (or feels constrained) to comply with every word of BS7671, it seems the sensible thing to do.
I don't believe that it's even a matter of the authors of BS7671 having deliberately intended to 'ban' the connection of a DP switch to a ring final - I strongly suspect that they simply did not think of including it as something which could be connected.
Kind Regards, John
Freezers, in the 21st century, are self defrost.
Two 13 amp fuses in series is pointless. With a fault you probably have 2 to replace.
There is no problem with a 20 amp switch on a ring final. In fact it is quite common.
Indeed it is. However, as I've just written, for those who wish (or are forced to) worry about such things, it is, strictly speaking, not compliant with BS7671. Both of us are at risk of being criticised for 'encouraging' people to disregard regulations!
The silly thing, of course, (which reinforced my belief that there was no intention to outlaw such switches in ring finals) is that there is nothing non-compliant about having such switches in a 32A radial circuit.
Kind Regards, John
Really?
I don't believe it is (strictly compliant), unless someone can prove me wrong...
... the regulation which specifically 'dispensates' a 2.5mm² ring final to be protected by a 30/32A OPD (provided that the CCC of the cable, as installed, is at least 20A) appears to relate only to ring final circuits involving "accessories to BS1363" (not close to my BYB, so can't quote the precise wording at the moment).
Do you disagree?
Kind Regards, John
Yes. You need to revisit the precise wording, and consider a)what it permits, and b)what it proscribes.
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