Not Another Reich FFS. And who's heiling who ?
United States of Europe by 2025
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You don't heil an Uber. Which somewhat ruins the play on words for me.
It is not some silly political comment, a united states of Europe is the core belief of the European Union, not some off the cuff remark that is out of touch with the ideology of the European Union, it is central to the Eu's future.
Adding some non related political comments to make your point......does no such thing
Your comments make it clear it is the Remoaners that are throwing their dummy out of the pram in reality. Nevermind they can move to Greece and enjoy 50% youth unemployment.
Left wing remoaners....they are the real dumb quitters, they cant even realise their beloved Jezza leader is a lifelong Eurosceptic....which is why at any one time Labour have about 14 different policies on Brexit.
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Doggit
It may not be another Reich, but doesn't mean to say that the ideology has changed. Germany has been at the heart of the EU since it's conception, and it was one thing for Junkers to say that the EU needed even tighter integration, but now a German politician is saying that they need to get closer together, and if you're not going to fall in line, then you've got to leave.
As I see it, It's typical Germanic control, coercion, and bullying to achieve their aims.
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We have a gasbag in the form of Farage who has said ridiculous things. Lets hope the Germans are not as serial believers as we are.
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Doggit
I've got to agree with you completely here Noseall. The Tories are completely screwing up the negotiations, but I think that the cold realisation, is of how useless our politicians are; nothing to do quitters, as many Remainers are behind the brexit now as well.
I wonder if those idiots that told May that she should go to the country, will ever get a job again.
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But what do you want? To leave completely then is there a mandate for that? If the referendum was open to interpretation then isn't the Governments response also?
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Therein lies the problem with our political system; far too adversarial. No matter what the Brexit team negotiate, some group will be upset. Rees-Mogg will tell you that we can't leave, and still stay in, but that's what the negotiations are trying to achieve, because the other parties will scream blue murder, even if they'd do the same if they were in power.
We do actually have a mandate to leave, and go to WTO rules, but it's not a sensible option, and would never be accepted, but I'd be inclined to go for it, and let the EU come grovelling to us for a deal. But I don't think the referendum was open to interpretation, as the question was do we want to leave the EU; I knew that it would entail problems, but I was prepared to accept them - others want their cake whole and to eat it, and that is applicable for both camps.
We do actually have a mandate to leave, and go to WTO rules, but it's not a sensible option, and would never be accepted, but I'd be inclined to go for it, and let the EU come grovelling to us for a deal. But I don't think the referendum was open to interpretation, as the question was do we want to leave the EU; I knew that it would entail problems, but I was prepared to accept them - others want their cake whole and to eat it, and that is applicable for both camps.
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Put it another way. What did you dislike of the EU so much and what impact did it have on your life?
How can we fix those issues?
How can we fix those issues?
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I dislike the authoritarian attitude of the EU, I dislike the fact that the ECJ has the final rule over our court. I dislike the fact that we can't get rid of criminals, murderers and rapists because that would infringe their human rights, even though they've taken them from their victim. I see us as a small island that is overcrowded, yet understand that we still have to accept others coming here for work (but dislike the benefits scroungers) and overloading the schools and infrastructure that is already stretched. But that doesn't put me off of migration, because it's always needed, and without a lot of migrants, our care homes and hospitals wouldn't work, but I also recognise that in many ways, we need those migrants, because we have governments that find it easier to take overseas workers rather than train up home grown one.
Does any of this affect me directly; well that a difficult one to say, but it affect the place I live, and the people I share this small island with, and it affects the economy, and that affects me.
The EU was intended to be a trading block, but i'ts evolved into a controlling conglomerate that we are subservient to, so as the EU won't backtrack, we need to.
Does any of this affect me directly; well that a difficult one to say, but it affect the place I live, and the people I share this small island with, and it affects the economy, and that affects me.
The EU was intended to be a trading block, but i'ts evolved into a controlling conglomerate that we are subservient to, so as the EU won't backtrack, we need to.
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Where do you get your ideas from?
On the contrary, it demonstrates that everything that politicians hope for does not come true, especially the ones who are not in government.
Even in coalition, politicians rarely get what they want.
But if you wish to pick and choose what a politician has said in a party conference, to argue your point, it illustrates the weakness of your argument.
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It seems that this new EU superstate is going to have its own army, 23 countries including Ireland have signed up, the EU wouldn't describe it as an army they describe it as a defence union, of course they say they need the consent of all members and that the UK could veto it but with the UK outside the EU that would leave only 4 other countries to be persuaded to sign up , a little bit of arm twisting like they did in the Irish referendums should sort that out.
A superstate with its own army run by the French and Germans is a scary prospect and when you consider both these countries have a history of invading Russia it could all end in tears, David Camoron is on record as saying he would like to see the EU expand east as far as the Urals so maybe the UK is getting out before it all goes pear shaped.
A superstate with its own army run by the French and Germans is a scary prospect and when you consider both these countries have a history of invading Russia it could all end in tears, David Camoron is on record as saying he would like to see the EU expand east as far as the Urals so maybe the UK is getting out before it all goes pear shaped.
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No, I doubt if they would ever invade anyone; but whilst Germany tried to invade Russia, would they bother now if they've achieved domination in Europe.
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Explain that to notch and doggit, who think that a couple of politicians aspirations will hold sway.
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