United States of Europe by 2025
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I hope you will not be too disheartened to see that the Wail printed nonsense
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ritain-officials-tell-Bolivian-immigrant.html
and the Grauniad printed fact
Not for the first time.
Perhaps I should have posted a picture of a red bus.
Anybody that does that has absolutely nothing useful to add to any discussion.
The Grauniad isnt a bad paper but it can hardly be described as unbiased.
Goodness knows why they have Owen Jones writing a column. He must be the most irritating t₩&@t ever.
I'm guessing you are one of those people who thought that when politicians were ramming the red bus down our throats (pre Brexit), they were doing something useful.
Incredible hypocrisy.
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You would be guessing entirely wrong then.
Claiming hypocrisy based on you own assumption..........best if you stick to the red bus, pictures are more your thing
Katie Hopkins or Owen Jones? That is a tough call.
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Doggit
They're all biased, that's how they get us to read them. It appeals to our sense of perspective, and we inherently accept that bias without question, and it becomes a self fulfilling justification, simply because we want it to be true. That's why you you should always be prepared to change your opinion if the evidence is overwhelmingly against what you first thought.
You read the Guardian and the Independent, simply because being left wing, you like the slant they put on it, and whilst you can always find articles that show the fallacy of the reporting, that doesn't mean that in the main, that most or the articles aren't correct, just put from a different perspective than suits you your liking. It could even be argued that both are valid perspectives, but that wouldn't suit our differing viewpoints.
Wrong.
You say you read the Wail
did you consider it necessary to check this story?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ritain-officials-tell-Bolivian-immigrant.html
How do you think you came to hold your incorrect opinions about UK being prevented by EU rules from expelling foreign citizens? Did you make them up yourself, or did you read them somewhere?
Do you have any opinions about Jeremy Corbyn? Or foreigners? Or Muslims? Are they equally reliable?
did you consider it necessary to check this story?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ritain-officials-tell-Bolivian-immigrant.html
How do you think you came to hold your incorrect opinions about UK being prevented by EU rules from expelling foreign citizens? Did you make them up yourself, or did you read them somewhere?
Do you have any opinions about Jeremy Corbyn? Or foreigners? Or Muslims? Are they equally reliable?
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Doggit
Just flicked through the points John, thanks for that. I can see exactly where you are coming from, but as always, those with nefarious intentions, always find a way round the rules (article 19); and this is why all those romanians that stand on the street selling the Big Issue, and claim to be self employed, are now being targeted.
I believe it was article 16 where we were told by the EU that as benefits weren't means tested for the British, then this couldn't be applied to immigrants.
Article 23 is where we can't deport immigrants as they are entitled to a home life, even if they have done harm to public.
Etc Etc Etc, but in essence, you make a very valid point in that it's the UK government that's making as much of a hash of things, as it is the EU in telling us to bend over etc.
I believe it was article 16 where we were told by the EU that as benefits weren't means tested for the British, then this couldn't be applied to immigrants.
Article 23 is where we can't deport immigrants as they are entitled to a home life, even if they have done harm to public.
Etc Etc Etc, but in essence, you make a very valid point in that it's the UK government that's making as much of a hash of things, as it is the EU in telling us to bend over etc.
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