Power Sharing In NI collapses again.

[IWalkLikeHimaMartian]

you say you were referring to the NI assembly, then prove how you think the DUP dont have the most seats or the largest share of the votes. And dont start bringing in the point they arent a majority government, or that their vote is reducing -those points were not in the post you criticised.

Its very simple,

It is not that "very simple". Politics is much more nuanced than that.
If I have 10 apples and I divide them among 3 people (say Jack, Jill And John), two of them will have 3 apples (say Jack and Jill), and one person (John) will have 4 apples. You could say simply that John has more apples than Jack or Jill.
However, as in politics, John does not have more apples than Jack and Jill.
You will remember that motorbiking said simply that they have the most seats and the largest share of the vote. In simple terms, they had the larger, not the largest, as my analogy of apples shows.
If my explanation is too nuanced for you, you will continue to argue your point.

Show us the numbers:
The number of seats the DUP have

I already have done so. Post #51
Perhaps you should:
" read carefully the post you tried to ridicule." (Notch7, post #60)

The share of the vote.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/ni2017/results

To address Vinty's comment about which was the more representative, the 2017 NI Assembly election, or the 2017 General Election, (the two voting systems not being the same, one PR {STV} which is considered to be more representative, and the other FPTP)
NI Assembly turn out : "Turnout in the election was 64.8 per cent (compared with 54.9% in 2016)." http://www.niassembly.gov.uk/global.../publications/2017-2022/2017/general/2217.pdf

NI general Election turnout:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2017/results/northern_ireland

 

[vinty]

Utter rubbish.

More lies, backtracking, squirming and gross stupidity

You quoted this:


Which you said 'oh no it isnt' because you thought you were being clever, a pedant and sarcastic.

Unfortunately you didnt check your facts, or read carefully the post you tried to ridicule..

Since you think you are so clever: you say you were referring to the NI assembly, then prove how you think the DUP dont have the most seats or the largest share of the votes. And dont start bringing in the point they arent a majority government, or that their vote is reducing -those points were not in the post you criticised.

Its very simple, you said:



Show us the numbers:
The number of seats the DUP have
The share of the vote.

I can't because there is no assembly all because of your mates in SF.

 

[Notch7]

If my explanation is too nuanced for you, you will continue to argue your point.

I dont need to argue any point.

The numbers prove you are wrong. They are as clear as black and white.

You have introduced, 'nuanced', 'cross-purpose', majority' -because you are wriggling out of admitting you are wrong.

ou will remember that motorbiking said simply that they have the most seats and the largest share of the vote

You posted the graphs above that prove unequivocally they do have the most seats and the largest share of the vote.

Its a fact.

You clearly have a pathological inability to accept the truth. A personality trait shared by a current leader

 

[IWalkLikeHimaMartian]

You clearly have a pathological inability to accept the truth.

If my explanation is too nuanced for you, you will continue to argue your point.

And you resort to insults to try to prove your point.
Insults will not prove your point, it demonstrates how weak your argument is.

 

[motorbiking]

You seem to be arguing that the DUP do not have more seats and the largest share of vote, because if you add up everyone else and place them in the same group, they are larger than the single group supporting the DUP.

Or is your argument that the set of parties who support the Irish language bill vs those who don't is greater? Without a single issue referendum, I don't think you could draw any safe conclusions. For example, I think university tuition fees should be scrapped for subjects that benefit the economy, but that doesn't mean I'd vote UKIP.

It can also be true that the following statements can both be fact:There are 10 apples, John has 4 Jim has 3 and Dan has 3.
- John has more apples and the largest share of apples.
- If Jim and Dan combine their apples they will have more than John and a larger share of apples.

Or is this example too nuanced?

 

[IWalkLikeHimaMartian]

You seem to be arguing that the DUP do not have more seats and the largest share of vote, because if you add up everyone else and place them in the same group, they are larger than the single group supporting the DUP.

That about sums it up.
Your original statement was a simple, "they have the most seats and the largest share of the vote", without any contextual reference.
We were talking about the NI Assembly, but you then referred to UK HoP. Whereas I specifically referenced NI Assembly, and we were specifically discussing the Irish Language Act.
On a simplistic level, they are the largest party in NI Assembly, but on the specific issue of the Irish Language Act, they appear to be in the minority.

Or is your argument that the set of parties who support the Irish language bill vs those who don't is greater? Without a single issue referendum, I don't think you could draw any safe conclusions.

Precisely, therefore your simplistic statement could not be relied upon.
According to the media articles that I have read, there is a majority support (in NI Assembly) for the Irish Language Act.
I have not considered or mentioned a referendum.
Incidentally, you, (nor Vinty, but he has excused himself) have provided any media material that supports your (much) earlier statement that there are media articles that do not support my original suspicion in the OP. I suspect there are, but they will be known "sectarian" media.

It can also be true that the following statements can both be fact:There are 10 apples, John has 4 Jim has 3 and Dan has 3.
- John has more apples and the largest share of apples, between the three of them (my addition, which added the context)
- If Jim and Dan combine their apples they will have more than John and a larger share of apples.

Is that not exactly what I inferred in my earlier post:
"You could say simply that John has more apples than Jack or Jill.
However, as in politics, John does not have more apples than Jack and Jill."

Except that in the NI Ireland Assembly, there are not simply three parties. There are other people/parties who also have some apples, and are prepared to make them available to John, Jim or Dan

 

[Notch7]

And you resort to insults to try to prove your point.
Insults will not prove your point, it demonstrates how weak your argument is.

More wriggling.......

Why dont you prove you can give a straight answer?

Answer these 2 very simple questions:

Does the DUP have the most seats in the NI assembly?

Does the DUP have the the greatest vote share in the NI assembly

Your post no 34 stated they do not.....so is that correct?

 

[IWalkLikeHimaMartian]

More wriggling.......

Why dont you prove you can give a straight answer?

Answer these 2 very simple questions:

Does the DUP have the most seats in the NI assembly?

Does the DUP have the the greatest vote share in the NI assembly

Your post no 34 stated they do not.....so is that correct?

 

[transam]

wake up way r bee.

suppose we will have to wait until his missis gets him up

 

[IWalkLikeHimaMartian]

wake up way r bee.

Are you finding my posts so interesting that you cannot stop reading them?

It must be tiresome having to click on "ignored member" all the time to see what I have said.
I wish you would put me on ignore, then do what it says on the tin.

 

[Notch7]

WannabeDIY finds he cant argue against facts -hence why he hasnt answered

 

[IWalkLikeHimaMartian]

More wriggling.......

Why dont you prove you can give a straight answer?

Answer these 2 very simple questions:

Does the DUP have the most seats in the NI assembly?

Does the DUP have the the greatest vote share in the NI assembly

Your post no 34 stated they do not.....so is that correct?

WannabeDIY finds he cant argue against facts -hence why he hasnt answered

I did not answer because you are a tiresome bore and my explanations have proven to be beyond your understanding.

Let us take your first "very simple question":
No, the DUP do not have "the most seats" in the NI Assembly. They are the largest party, ie. they have more seats than any other party, but they do not have, simplistically, "the most seats", and they do not have an overall majority, especially in the single issue of the Irish Language Act, should it ever go in front of the Assembly. Refer back to the "apples" analogy.
Similarly, the tories do not have the most seats in the HoP, but they are the largest party. That is why they need the support of the DUP.
When the tories and the DUP combine, they do have "the most seats", i.e. they have more seats than all the other parties combined.
BTW, did you notice the emoticon after my original comment?
What did you think it signified?

On your second "very simple question":
No, the DUP do not have the greatest share of the votes in the NI Assembly. They do have more votes than any other single party, but not an overall majority of all parties. Incidentally, they have only 0.6% more than SF.

Now please stop being pedantic, on the basis that you do not, or refuse to, understand the nuances.

 

[vinty]

The figures you are quoting are irrelevant for the reasons I outlined in previous posts.

these maps show the %difference in turnout for the2016/ 2017assembly elections, the electoral areas with the lightest shading are the areas with the lowest turnout ,these are all in Unionist areas.
As I have said before in the 2017 elections a lot of Unionists boycotted the election because of the Cash for Ash scandal ,so they don't give an accurate picture of the true support for the DUP, in the 2017 General election the DUP got their best result ever,10 DUP to 7 SF and 1 independent Unionist.

 

[vinty]

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[IWalkLikeHimaMartian]

The figures you are quoting are irrelevant for the reasons I outlined in previous posts.View attachment 136962 these maps show the %difference in turnout for the2016/ 2017assembly elections, the electoral areas with the lightest shading are the areas with the lowest turnout ,these are all in Unionist areas.
As I have said before in the 2017 elections a lot of Unionists boycotted the election because of the Cash for Ash scandal ,so they don't give an accurate picture of the true support for the DUP,

Hopefully we will get a chance to see what a 2018 Assembly election will bring.

in the 2017 General election the DUP got their best result ever,10 DUP to 7 SF and 1 independent Unionist.

We have already dealt with this, why would anyone vote for a politician that is going to refuse to take their seat?