two lamps on two breakers, one fitting

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Hi all.

I have just bought an outside light fitting that has two lamps in it, one pointing up and one down. At the moment the lamps are wired in parallel, and my intention is to use the downlight to illuminate the house number, while the uplight will reflect off the porch soffit. I have a switched L, N & E from a switch inside the hall to this position, so all simple enough. But I also have a timer and photocell that switches another, separate outside light, and the switched L N & E from this timer/photocell could be extended and used for the new fitting, so it would come on and off automatically, rather than use the hall switch. Also simple enough.

However I would like to split the two lamps and switch them independently, the downlight from the timer/photocell and the uplight from the hall switch. Obviously I will have to put another choc block or wagos in the light fitting to facilitate this, there's enough room and it's simple enough to wire (keeping the N's as well as the L's separate), but the timer/photocell and the hall switch are on different breakers (in fact they are on different CUs, one is in the house and the other is in the (attached) garage). I realise this arrangement may not be "best practice", but if I ensured it is labelled as such, would wiring two lamps in the same housing from two separate breakers be considered a total no-no? Neither CU has RCDs, just MCBs, although the existing timer/photocell feed is from a fused RCD spur unit fed from the garage radial. The fitting itself is class I, so presumably connect the two earths together in the fitting?

Appreciate your thoughts,
KM.
 
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It's not a total no-no, but -

why, as you are rewiring them both, can you not rewire them both from one of the supplies?
 
It's not a total no-no, but -

Excellent, thanks.

why, as you are rewiring them both, can you not rewire them both from one of the supplies?

It’s only one fitting (the new one) I’m talking about rewiring; the light that’s fed from the existing timer/photocell is remaining, and it’s the feed to that one I’m talking about extending to the new fitting. I wish to switch the two lamps in the new fitting separately and independently, and I already have the two switched feeds I need. Extending one of them along an easily accessible route will be a lot easier than finding a permanent live from either the garage CU (and feeding that to the existing hall switch) or from the house CU (and feeding that to the existing timer/photocell in the garage).
 
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I would like them to be switched differently and independently,
If you had, say, a total of 20 different lights in total across all of the rooms in your house, would you need 20 separate circuits to be able to switch them differently and independently?
 
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I think I see.

Do you mean the timer completely switches off the PIR light - and that there is no permanent live at the PIR - nor, indeed, the other light?
 
I think I see.

Do you mean the timer completely switches off the PIR light - and that there is no permanent live at the PIR - nor, indeed, the other light?

Exactly that. I have two switched feeds, one from the hall switch and the other from the PIR. There is no permanent live at either light.

Although there is a permanent live at the timer in the garage that I can easily extend to the new fitting, that doesn’t help as the hall switch would still be fed from the house CU. I cannot see an easy way of feeding the hall switch from the garage supply.
 
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Thanks for that EFLI... but perhaps I should have mentioned there isn’t a Neutral at the hall switch, apologies! However.... the hall switch controls not only the outside light, but also the inside porch light which is on the wall. The outside light is wired in parallel with it, and I could split the cable and put a switch there for the outside light using your arrangement, and keep the switch in the hall to switch just the porch light. Will need to have a think about whether I actually want separate switches for the porch and outside uplighter, and whether having a switch directly under a light that it doesn’t control would be a bit odd.

I could, I suppose, use one of those TLC Quinetic remote switches to switch the outside uplighter from the hall, but either way it’s adding complexity rather than keeping it to a simple and existing switch.
 
but perhaps I should have mentioned there isn’t a Neutral at the hall switch, apologies! However.... the hall switch controls not only the outside light, but also the inside porch light which is on the wall.
If there is no Neutral at the switch, then it must be at the light, but you don't need it any more.
You just need there to be a cable from light to switch.

So, if you have a cable from the switch to the light, you can still do it - perhaps incorporate the porch light as well.

Anyway, see what you have got.
 

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