UK prisons and probation chief Michael Spurr

[pete50]

The government has told this bloke to step down (sacked) next April so that a new bloke can take his place because of mounting levels of violence and self harm in prisons. Peter Dawson, director of the Prison Reform Trust says. "Anyone who thinks the problems in our prisons can be solved by a change of leader is deluding themselves.” As far as I can see the main aim of government is to delude everybody. Nothing new whatsoever in that.

 

[SirGalahad]

We love copying the model of private prisons from the USA with all their problems.

 

[transam]

Copying the USA model ???

Are we going to have armed guards ? And sharp shooters/ snipers in watch towers ????

 

[Notch7]

At least the prison problems have nothing to do with funding cuts.

I blane immigrants and the EU......but immigrants mostly, they come over here forcing young English kids to become cocaine dealers and stab people.

Some people wrongly blame the government.

 

[SirGalahad]

Copying the USA model ???

Are we going to have armed guards ? And sharp shooters/ snipers in watch towers ????

At least the prison problems have nothing to do with funding cuts.

I blane immigrants and the EU......but immigrants mostly, they come over here forcing young English kids to become cocaine dealers and stab people.

Some people wrongly blame the government.

https://www.instituteforgovernment....nce-tracker-autumn-2017/law-and-order/prisons

Spending on prisons is down 22% since 2009/10, and there are a quarter fewer prison officers than in 2010. Violence within prisons continues to rise, with the number of assaults on officers 124% above 2009 levels.

 

[HawkEye244]

https://www.instituteforgovernment....nce-tracker-autumn-2017/law-and-order/prisons

Spending on prisons is down 22% since 2009/10, and there are a quarter fewer prison officers than in 2010. Violence within prisons continues to rise, with the number of assaults on officers 124% above 2009 levels.

A viable solution would be to change how prisons are operated and managed. Throwing more money at the problem (typical socialist) rarely results in positive results, the NHS is one such example.

I would be in favour of chaining prisoners together and sending them out on work assignments (chain gangs) where they can do valuable work for the community , litter picking etc, under supervision of arm guards. Of course your reactionary socialist opinion is to spend more money furnishing prisons with creature comforts, having more officers ready to react to prisoner violence - prisoner violence that likely occurs because the prisoner has no purpose to be alive. You would consider that a breach of the prisoners human rights though wouldn't you, because every prisoner is a victim aren't they ? As per Marx.

 

[Notch7]

https://www.instituteforgovernment....nce-tracker-autumn-2017/law-and-order/prisons

Spending on prisons is down 22% since 2009/10, and there are a quarter fewer prison officers than in 2010. Violence within prisons continues to rise, with the number of assaults on officers 124% above 2009 levels.

Yes I know

Reduction of officer to prisoner ratio and privately run prisons is the direct cause of problems in prisons.

 

[SirGalahad]

A viable solution would be to change how prisons are operated and managed. Throwing more money at the problem (typical socialist) rarely results in positive results, the NHS is one such example.

I would be in favour of chaining prisoners together and sending them out on work assignments (chain gangs) where they can do valuable work for the community , litter picking etc, under supervision of arm guards. Of course your reactionary socialist opinion is to spend more money furnishing prisons with creature comforts, having more officers ready to react to prisoner violence - prisoner violence that likely occurs because the prisoner has no purpose to be alive. You would consider that a breach of the prisoners human rights though wouldn't you, because every prisoner is a victim aren't they ? As per Marx.

You don't live in reality. I suggest you look at WHO reports on efficiency and cost effectiveness of health services and you will find the NHS comes out near the top and the US model near the bottom.

You are a typical uninformed right wing reactionary. The solution to the Prison issues won't be solved by making them gulags - the problem is multifaceted. If having third world prisons was the answer why is their higher levels of crime in the third world? Prison is not a deterrent so we need to look at why people commit crime and why do they re-offend.

Focus has to be on prevention rather than cure. I am not sure how

Back to Breitbart for you.

 

[durhamplumber]

Copying the USA model ???

Are we going to have armed guards ? And sharp shooters/ snipers in watch towers ????

Probably..eventually

 

[durhamplumber]

A viable solution would be to change how prisons are operated and managed. Throwing more money at the problem (typical socialist) rarely results in positive results, the NHS is one such example.

I would be in favour of chaining prisoners together and sending them out on work assignments (chain gangs) where they can do valuable work for the community , litter picking etc, under supervision of arm guards. Of course your reactionary socialist opinion is to spend more money furnishing prisons with creature comforts, having more officers ready to react to prisoner violence - prisoner violence that likely occurs because the prisoner has no purpose to be alive. You would consider that a breach of the prisoners human rights though wouldn't you, because every prisoner is a victim aren't they ? As per Marx.

Would definitely be in favour of some hard labour ...maybe picking dog shy..te up with bare hands might do wonders for reoffend rates

 

[durhamplumber]

You don't live in reality. I suggest you look at WHO reports on efficiency and cost effectiveness of health services and you will find the NHS comes out near the top and the US model near the bottom.

You are a typical uninformed right wing reactionary. The solution to the Prison issues won't be solved by making them gulags - the problem is multifaceted. If having third world prisons was the answer why is their higher levels of crime in the third world? Prison is not a deterrent so we need to look at why people commit crime and why do they re-offend.

Focus has to be on prevention rather than cure. I am not sure how

Back to Breitbart for you.

Typical tree huggin Lefty

 

[HawkEye244]

You don't live in reality. I suggest you look at WHO reports on efficiency and cost effectiveness of health services and you will find the NHS comes out near the top and the US model near the bottom.

You are a typical uninformed right wing reactionary. The solution to the Prison issues won't be solved by making them gulags - the problem is multifaceted. If having third world prisons was the answer why is their higher levels of crime in the third world? Prison is not a deterrent so we need to look at why people commit crime and why do they re-offend.

Focus has to be on prevention rather than cure. I am not sure how

Back to Breitbart for you.

Typical rubbish. You are fast becoming my favourite forum parrot, all roads for you end up back at your broken crusty Marxist wet dream. People like you are ten a penny, in fact the trail of real freedom fights and rights campaigners are littered with parasites trying to emulate and bask in their glory for personal gain. Go back to your WHO reports and guardian links little man, just keep your little portal to the world in your head and don't expect to be able to inflict it on other people without a fight.

 

[Notch7]

A viable solution would be to change how prisons are operated and managed. Throwing more money at the problem (typical socialist) rarely results in positive results, the NHS is one such example.

I would be in favour of chaining prisoners together and sending them out on work assignments (chain gangs) where they can do valuable work for the community , litter picking etc, under supervision of arm guards. Of course your reactionary socialist opinion is to spend more money furnishing prisons with creature comforts, having more officers ready to react to prisoner violence - prisoner violence that likely occurs because the prisoner has no purpose to be alive. You would consider that a breach of the prisoners human rights though wouldn't you, because every prisoner is a victim aren't they ? As per Marx.

To do what you suggest.....would take more prison officers and cost more money.

The rise in prisoner violence is due to reduction in staff levels and privatisation.

Why dont you think about the pragmatic solutions to prisoners. Rehabilitation could reduce overall cost of crime in and out of prison. It doesnt have to be based on whether the prisoner is getting punished.

The rate of re offending is appalling and the prison system id broken.

God forbid we adopt the inhuman legal prison system of the USA.

Guantanamo bay; what a terrible example of US injustice.

 

[transam]

There was a doc on the telley a while back about broad moor

The amount of money to keep some one in there was staggering over a 100 grand a year per inmate think the figure was over 200 grand ??? There was one incident were an inmate would not come in from exercise yard

It took 8 people and 4 hours to get the dangerous fruit cake back to his room

I could save them money tell the bloke he had an hour to go back to his cell or room

Then taser him and drag him in by his feet . Maximum 2 blokes

I may well write to the government department and suggest my policy

 

[SirGalahad]

Typical rubbish. You are fast becoming my favourite forum parrot, all roads for you end up back at your broken crusty Marxist wet dream. People like you are ten a penny, in fact the trail of real freedom fights and rights campaigners are littered with parasites trying to emulate and bask in their glory for personal gain. Go back to your WHO reports and guardian links little man, just keep your little portal to the world in your head and don't expect to be able to inflict it on other people without a fight.

All you have is hate and stupidity. Poor Hawk. No argument other than the one created in your fertile mind full of conspiracies.