US Trade Deal - US Demands we pay more for Drugs

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Has anyone lived or worked in the US and know the crazy prices of drugs in the US?

I wouldn't expect the US Trade deal to ask for anything less than making us pay more for Drugs.

There is nothing beneficial to this but this is what as a country that stands on its own will have to accept - we will become a taker not a setter of rules.

Can a brexiteer actually tell me what the benefits are from paying more for less?

https://ustr.gov/sites/default/files/Summary_of_U.S.-UK_Negotiating_Objectives.pdf


Forget politics for a moment- just explain why this is good for the UK?
 
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Where does it say that? I found this only
  1. Procedural Fairness for Pharmaceuticals and Medical Devices:


    - Seek standards to ensure that government regulatory reimbursement regimes are transparent, provide procedural fairness, are nondiscriminatory, and provide full market access for U.S. products.
 
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They seem to be moaning about NICE imposing a cost Cap more than anything else. It would appear possible to approve for private treatment keeping both sides happy.
 
So when the NHS can use its buying power to negotiate drug prices the Government would rescind this.

Tell me in what way shape or form that's good advice. So when we have leverage we are not supposed to use it.

Madness.
 
We won't be able to agree to these terms given our commitments to the EU
 
Has anyone lived or worked in the US and know the crazy prices of drugs in the US?

Yes, and yes.

We all know it's not perfect, but no matter what your opinion may be of the NHS, fight for it with all you have!

Between us, my wife and I pay close to $400 per month form our combined health and dental insurance.

Each time we go to the doctor, we still have to pay between $20-$50, which is a co-pay. A trip to the ER would cost $350, as would an ambulance, if required.

On top of that, the insurance has various levels of deductibles (excess), ranging from $3,000 for in-network providers to $10,000 for out-of-network providers, before everything becomes totally covered. That means we get billed for a percentage of any treatments until those amounts are met. The deductibles restart at $0 every year, so you may have to payed up to $9,999.99 until December 31st just for out--of-network services, but if you then need treatment on January 1st that amount counts for nothing.

The medicines are just as bad. We also have to pay a co-pay for every prescription which can start at a couple of dollars up to a thousand, depending on what medicine it is. The average prescription is around $12, and these payments count towards those deductibles.

Last February I went to an Urgent Care clinic with flu-like symptoms. I was told that the insurance would cover a flu test as the clinic was in-network and was given 2 Tylenol (which is a brand named paracetamol, but they were likely to be just the generic version) while I was there and paid around $20 for a prescription for Tamiflu. I also paid a $50 co-pay on the day.
The next day, the flu test results came back negative, so the Tamiflu was of no use.
Two weeks later, I was sent a copy of the bill by the insurance company, which showed they wouldn't be paying anything towards the treatment because the flu test was deemed unnecessary, as was the Tamiflu (even though the CDC wants us to do everything possible to reduce the spread of flu). The only thing they covered was the doctor's charge, but that was again subject to my deductible.
The worst part of the bill was a $60 charge for those 2 paracetamol. You can buy a bottle of 1000 over the counter for $15!!

I'm still awaiting that actual bill, which was for over $600 in total, and the virus that I did actually have wasn't even treated. It won't get paid!

I've also needed various blood tests and scans for a suspected gallbladder issue, which the insurance insists you do in order from lowest price to highest, so I had to pay over $2,000 towards that deductible, and again got no actual treatments to address the problem before the end of last year. Now I have to pay towards this years deductible if I want to proceed with further tests or treatments.

The total amount billed to our insurance company last year was over $25,000, of which we've had to contribute over $4,000, on top of our almost $5,000 yearly premiums. Of that, my wife's required monthly medication costs would have been another $2,500 without the insurance.



One of the only sensible things the legendary joe-90 ever said to me was that I would come back to Britain if I needed an operation. At this rate he may yet be right!


Protect the NHS!
 
Although it has been said on here before ,it should be said again.
The biggest cause of personal bankruptcy in the U.S. is medical bills.
 
One of the only sensible things the legendary joe-90 ever said to me was that I would come back to Britain if I needed an operation. At this rate he may yet be right!
'Legendary'?

I'd go for 'infamous'!

However he was right in this respect, as hundreds of thousands of geriatric brits will soon be doing the same thing come Brexit...

The NHS will be awash with a sea of wrinklies demanding their 'rights to healthcare', even though many of them voted to leave the EU!
Protect the NHS!
Already too late...

Privatisation is gathering pace, and the US pharma corporates are licking their lips at the carnage that they are about to unleash on the best national health system in the world!
 
If they were living abroad and were so stupid as to vote for Brexit than afai am concerned they can pay for there own health care

The U.K. Has got enough stupid people here as it is with out having these bone heads turning up cap in hand

Obviously if u lived abroad and voted to remain that's a different scenario
 
'Legendary'?

I'd go for 'infamous'!

However he was right in this respect, as hundreds of thousands of geriatric brits will soon be doing the same thing come Brexit...

The NHS will be awash with a sea of wrinklies demanding their 'rights to healthcare', even though many of them voted to leave the EU!

Already too late...

Privatisation is gathering pace, and the US pharma corporates are licking their lips at the carnage that they are about to unleash on the best national health system in the world!

Not sure, quite what you're saying there, expats or whatever youd like to call them didnt have a vote AFAIK?
 
Not sure, quite what you're saying there, expats or whatever youd like to call them didnt have a vote AFAIK?
"UK citizens resident overseas were eligible to vote, provided they had been registered to vote at a UK address in the 15 years prior to the referendum."
(And they're not 'expats', they are migrants!)

This is kind of typical of a UK quitter migrant in the EU...

"Dave bought his Spanish holiday home after voting to leave but told Mr Jenkins that he regretted his vote. He told the journalist the main factor in his change of heart was the loss of “freedom of movement in Europe, for the proper Europeans”....

When he was asked if he wanted to keep his own freedom of movement rights intact he replied. “Yes".

So who is a 'proper European'?

As Confucius say: "You can take a quitter out of the UK, but you can't take the xenophobia out of a quitter" ;)
 
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