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The plentiful supply of cheap labour arguably helped the UK economy to expand without facing the issue of spiralling wages

Is that actually true?

Im not criticising, I just struggle to see how that is. For example my local Cafe Nero pays the living wage, around £10/hr. Nearly all the employees are not from this country.

The UK has had minimum wages rates for quite a few years and many jobs in agriculture and hospitality would be near the minimum wage rates.

Certainly Blair did not restrict free movement when the EU expanded, but neither Labour nor Tory have done anything to control immigration. Hence why there are so many overstayers.
It has been in the interest of any government to allow high immigration because it benefits the UK economy. Ironic really as high net immigration has been encouraged, whilst politicians and the media blame immigration for the UKs self inflicted issues.
 
Im not criticising, I just struggle to see how that is. For example my local Cafe Nero pays the living wage, around £10/hr. Nearly all the employees are not from this country.

The UK has had minimum wages rates for quite a few years and many jobs in agriculture and hospitality would be near the minimum wage rates.

I think it comes back to the idea of cheap labour which I will admit I've mentioned before.

While there is a minimum wage and living wage in the UK, people from the UK generally expect an 8 hour minimum wage day. Where as I think people from abroad (Poland is a good example where if I remember right their minimum is 1/3 of ours) will do the same hours but generally put that much more effort in to receive it.

While I don't blame them at all, employers will inevitably expect the same rate of output from UK nationals to compete.

This will inevitably result in a lowered output from the majority of UK nationals and employers will rely more on foreign labour. Possibly because natives will get tired of trying to compete.

While I understand that is how the free market works, if everyone ended up on JSA, is it then fair for foreign labour to prop up our welfare system?
 
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You don't really make much sense....
 
While there is a minimum wage and living wage in the UK, people from the UK generally expect an 8 hour minimum wage day. Where as I think people from abroad (Poland is a good example where if I remember right their minimum is 1/3 of ours) will do the same hours but generally put that much more effort in to receive it.

While I don't blame them at all, employers will inevitably expect the same rate of output from UK nationals to compete.

This will inevitably result in a lowered output from the majority of UK nationals and employers will rely more on foreign labour. Possibly because natives will get tired of trying to compete.
Ah - I see.

We must not allow foreigners to come here and work because we are so lazy and unproductive that employers would rather have the hard working productive people.
 
Ah - I see.

We must not allow foreigners to come here and work because we are so lazy and unproductive that employers would rather have the hard working productive people.
You do talk rubbish, according to the stats British workers work longer hours than the Germans and French.
When it comes to retirement age the so called hardworking Poles have passed a law lowering the retirement age for men and women to 65 for men and 60 for women.
Foreigners don't work any harder than any other group, the UK now has full employment so were are all these hordes of lazy unproductive Brits you keep going on about.
 
You do talk rubbish, according to the stats British workers work longer hours than the Germans and French.
That bit is very true. It is also true that they are less productive. Something to do with lack of investment, I gather.
 
Foreigners don't work any harder than any other group, the UK now has full employment so were are all these hordes of lazy unproductive Brits you keep going on about.
Don't ask me - ask Sammy - he was the one who said

Where as I think people from abroad (Poland is a good example where if I remember right their minimum is 1/3 of ours) will do the same hours but generally put that much more effort in to receive it.

While I don't blame them at all, employers will inevitably expect the same rate of output from UK nationals to compete.
 
That bit is very true. It is also true that they are less productive. Something to do with lack of investment, I gather.

Productivity is not a measure of how hard you work, for instance Ford car assembly workers in Germany, Turkey and Spain would have been far more productive if they'd sat on their hands all of 2018.
 
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