Labour Brexit policy...have I got this right?

[Mottie]

Watching John McDonnell on the news just now he is saying that IF Labour won a general election, they would 'get the best deal possible' from the EU and THEN put that deal verses not leaving the EU to the people to let them decide. They have also said they would campaign to stay in the EU. Bearing that in mind, what sort of deal do you think they would be offered by the EU who desperately need the UK's financial contribution? They (Labour) must be stark raving mad.

 

[noseall]

They must be stark raving mad.

Brexit for ya.

 

[SirGalahad]

Watching John McDonnell on the news just now he is saying that IF Labour won a general election, they would 'get the best deal possible' from the EU and THEN put that deal verses not leaving the EU to the people to let them decide. They have also said they would campaign to stay in the EU. Bearing that in mind, what sort of deal do you think they would be offered by the EU who desperately need the UK's financial contribution? They (Labour) must be stark raving mad.

EU do not desperately need the UK contribution.

Labour is split on Brexit, it has its share of idiots like the Tory party.

FPTP stinks when its winner takes all, as much as I disagree with Brexiters what do you do when the country is split.

DM, SUN etc feeding vile lies over the last few decades - the debt of lies is now being repaid.

 

[Mottie]

EU do not desperately need the UK contribution.

Perhaps I should edit that to say Germany and France desperately need the UK financial contribution.

 

[Notch7]

Perhaps I should edit that to say Germany and France desperately need the UK financial contribution.

There is of course political pressure on the German, French, Dutch governments to get Brexit sorted.
You are correct that those countries dont want to suffer economic damage because of the UK government tied up with internal fighting.

The European union have the single market, it allows frictionless trade due to harmonised regulations which allow easy movement of goods around a market of 500 million people.

Since the UK want to leave that, the UK will have no choice but to move to trade which has friction and costs will increase.

As a Brexiteer that is a path you want - the EU cant offer the UK the benefits of frictionless trade because it wants regulatory divergence.
So what do you want the EU to give you?

If you want the free movement of goods allowing UK companies to still take advantage of unhindered, rapid supply chains then the UK will need alignment of rules and regulations.

By the way, the EU wont compromise the single market for the UK, so dont think blackmail will work.

You would be the first to complain if unregulated goods were allowed into the UK, so why should you think the EU would accept it?

 

[JP_]

It is the only sensible and fair approach now.
Get a deal agreed, put it to the people, follow outcome.

The Tory approach - fail to get a deal agreed, say they're going to hard brexit anyway (even though legally impossible) and then what? Tory method seems to be designed to cause as much tension and conflict as possible.

Some would say that this is what should have been done in the first place - the government should have negotiated a deal, and then that should have been the option in the 2016 referendum.

But, at the moment the most likely thing to happen is Boris will die in a ditch and then there's be a general election. God knows what will happen after that.

 

[SirGalahad]

Remember when it comes whose to blame, it's never Brexit but it's always Labour.

 

[JP_]

edit .. wrong thread....

 

[Notch7]

Remember when it comes whose to blame, it's never Brexit but it's always Labour.

Ive noticed in recent years on a day where there is negative Brexit news, the Telegraph has a front page story about Corbyn.

We are now at a point where politicians tell lies and arent challenged, the media generate anger and the public applaud the lies.

And it trickles down to this forum, where ignorance seems to be celebrated by some.......who get upset if their soundbites are challenged, to which they begin shrieking 'will of the people'

 

[SirGalahad]

Ive noticed in recent years on a day where there is negative Brexit news, the Telegraph has a front page story about Corbyn.

We are now at a point where politicians tell lies and arent challenged, the media generate anger and the public applaud the lies.

And it trickles down to this forum, where ignorance seems to be celebrated by some.......who get upset if their soundbites are challenged, to which they begin shrieking 'will of the people'

There are real and legitimate concerns about Corbyn but they have now progressed to something far more sininiser and co-ordinated like the attacks agains Soros.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/stories-49584157

Finkelstein created a new style of politics dubbed "Finkel Think", says Hannes Grassegger, a reporter for the Swiss publication, Das Magazin.

"Arthur Finkelstein always said, 'You don't go against the Taliban, you go against Osama Bin Laden.' So it's about personalisation, picking the perfect enemy and then [you] go full on against that person, so that people are actually scared of your opponent. And never talk about your own candidate's policies, they don't matter at all."

Finkelstein realised the best way to get Orban elected was to find a new enemy. He suggested Soros, and it was a perfect choice, Grassegger says. "The very right hated him because he was Jewish, people at the very left hated him because he was a capitalist."

The irony is, Arthur Finkelstein was himself a Jew. "This Jewish gentleman creates this Jewish monster," Grassegger says.

The Hungarian Government denies they needed anyone to "invent" Soros. In a statement it said: "George Soros invented himself as a political actor as long as two decades ago. George Soros's network of institutions exercises a great deal of power without a mandate coming from the people."

But Orban seems to have implemented Finkelstein's advice to the letter and gone even further.

 

[JohnD]

must be stark raving mad.

The Cons certainly are.

 

[ellal]

Perhaps I should edit that to say Germany and France desperately need the UK financial contribution.

Methinks you overestimate the value of £8bn in the grand scheme of things

 

[JohnD]

Let's just see how big UK's contributions are, in the UK economy.

Insignificant.

And a far smaller proportion of the EU's.

The mad brexers think they can blackmail the rest of Europe.

the EU who desperately need the UK's financial contribution

Wrong.

Motman cannot comprehend international relations.

 

[Mottie]

Oh well, perhaps the EU really like us then and will just be sad when we leave their little club.

 

[Bodd]

I think you over estimate the value of £8bn in the grand scheme of things

Just corrected your spelling.


Sorry....... Carry on..