Knife Crime

[gasbanni]

Don't be nice to criminals ....are they nice to their victims ? Hard swift punishment. Not reform .........bloody punishment.

You can smell the ganja in prisons.....lax places ........yeah let's give them gyms so they can come out with bulging muscles so they can intimidate the public even more.

 

[JP_]

I don't think people disagree with this. But the real question remains, how to reduce crime in the first place.

Surely you'd prefer to live in a country with less crime, than one with bigger prisons?

 

[Deleted member 18243]

I do agree, the criminal justice system is broken.

I remember a mate of mine, a policeman saying quite often the paperwork and time required booking in someone they had arrested was so much they couldnt get it done before the end of their shift. So quite often arrests werent made if they caught somebody, getting to the nearest nick and booking wasnt worth the agro.

Im not sure but I believe quite few cases get thrown out by the CPS.

Blimey - Notch agreeing with me. Hallelujah! Bells ring out across the land.

There was a piece in the Telegraph the other day about a private police force in London. They arrest shoplifters and detain them until the police come - but on arrival, the police often let the offenders go. Quote: "The constraints on police make them reluctant to spend 8 hours in custody with a shoplifter for £30, even though that shoplifter is going to go and shoplift the next day and the day after that".

So, this "paperwork" is the enemy. Ditch it. Villains under arrest should be given the shortest shrift possible. Locking up a shoplifter takes him out of action, and as in the quote stops him shoplifting the day after and the day after that. Your average villain tends to commit numerous crimes as a matter of course, rather than sticking exclusively to one type of crime; so, when our shoplifter is off the streets there will be potentially less dangerous driving, less drug-taking, less anti-social behaviour, less domestic violence etc etc. It's not just about the £30. Our police chiefs know the price of everything and the value of nothing.

 

[JP_]

One of our local trouble makers has finally been found guilty of threatening to stab somebody, and spitting in a police car (sentence will be decided end of month). This is after over 2 years of causing trouble in the area, from threatening to rape a school girl to threatening to stab pensioners, and threatening to stab me multiple times, and assaulting me (not badly - knocking my glasses off, poking me in the eye and then hitting me once). He often follows women with children, making lewd remarks about what he will do. And he deals drugs (some say just cannabis, some say crack, I don't know what's true). Took 2 years before he was actually properly charged and arrested. He'll probably get 6 months most (although he conveniently recently moved in with his granddad who is apparently a good influence, so might get suspended sentence) and be out doing it all over again.

So I do agree, some people need to be locked up sooner and easier. But, we still need to create a better society where idiots like this actually have something to do rather than deal drugs and act like a gangster and threaten people all day.

 

[Notch7]

Don't be nice to criminals ....are they nice to their victims ? Hard swift punishment. Not reform .........bloody punishment

Thats right focus only on the punishment.
That way you will never reduce crime levels,
Never reduce victims of crime.

Honestly why cant you people have an intelligent discussion about this, you just have this childish binary approach:
"If you dont fink harsher punishment is the answer, you must be some leftie wanting to be soft on criminals"
Jesus wept what a fick **** attitude, are you all furkin Sun readers with a reading age of 3.

 

[Mottie]

Thats right focus only on the punishment.
That way you will never reduce crime levels,
Never reduce victims of crime.

Honestly why cant you people have an intelligent discussion about this, you just have this childish binary approach:
"If you dont fink harsher punishment is the answer, you must be some leftie wanting to be soft on criminals"
Jesus wept what a fick **** attitude, are you all furkin Sun readers with a reading age of 3.

I don’t know. I’ve often thought that instead of working for a living, it would be all too easy to go out and get some easy money by threatening a pensioner who runs a post office or the old boy in the local jewellers. So what’s stopping me? The thought of going to jail, missing my friends and family and the high chance of getting beaten, stabbed or arse raped while in there. There’s probably quite a few people with that attitude too so in my mind, yes, prison is a deterrent for many. For those that it isn’t, the punishment needs to be tougher.

 

[JP_]

I don’t know. I’ve often thought that instead of working for a living, it would be all too easy to go out and get some easy money by threatening a pensioner who runs a post office or the old boy in the local jewellers. So what’s stopping me? The thought of going to jail, missing my friends and family and the high chance of getting beaten, stabbed or arse raped while in there. There’s probably quite a few people with that attitude too so in my mind, yes, prison is a deterrent for many. For those that it isn’t, the punishment needs to be tougher.

Yes, but then you have found other ways to make money. Some kids are without any hope, have no qualifications, brought up in abusive environments, and are generally angry and lost. As a society we cannot continue to ignore them and hope they somehow find an honest way to make a living - they need help. There are career criminals, but these are often different to the "roadmen" and gang members out there stabbing and dealing.

County lines gangs are out there actively recruiting vulnerable kids, society needs to combat that.

 

[Mottie]

Let’s be honest here, there’s always ways to earn an honest living but kids nowdays want their Rolex watches, BMW's, wads of cash and designer clobber without having to get up at 6.30 in the morning, travel to work, work until 5.00, travel home, day in, day out like most of the tradesmen or small business owners on here have done to get where they are. The majority just don’t want to work. I blame it partly on all the gangsta rap / grime videos on telly showing blinged up ‘ethnics' waving their cash and diamond watches being sucked up to by a load of fat arsed whores. Have you not noticed that a fair proportion of young white adolescents even talk like an 'ethnic' these day’s? If not, you clearly don’t work in those circles so please don’t try to tell me you know about it. Maybe you won’t see it if you live out in the sticks but that’s about it.

 

[noseall]

The majority just don’t want to work.

Nonsense.

 

[Mottie]

Nonsense.

I’ll see your nonsense and raise you a cobblers.

 

[Ihavenojob]

or arse raped while in there.

Not sure where I heard it, but chavs who wear their trousers at half mast with their butt crack on display are in indicating they are willing to take it up the wrong 'un in prison. A bit like lippy on Roman prossies.

 

[Mottie]

Yes, that’s a FACT.

 

[EFLImpudence]

Surely you are not saying that people are inviting rape by the way they dress.

 

[ellal]

I’ve often thought that instead of working for a living, it would be all too easy to go out and get some easy money by threatening a pensioner who runs a post office or the old boy in the local jewellers. So what’s stopping me?

Well maybe in what passes for the back of your mind you might possess a small sense of right and wrong.

But like most people that sense of right and wrong differs depending on your circumstances...

If you've been brought up having the prospect of a decent life with a stable family environment, then you start out with a better chance.

If however you belong to the ever increasing millions of people who have little or no hope, then right and wrong tends to matter less whilst trying to simply survive!

 

[Mottie]

If however you belong to the ever increasing millions of people who have little or no hope, then right and wrong tends to matter less whilst trying to simply survive!

Read my post you pillock. Lusting after Rolex watches, other bling, flash cars, wads of cash, the latest smart phone, designer clothes and trainers at 14 years old before they’ve even left school (assuming they are attending school) is not 'surviving'. Now, if their aim were to put food on the table, get warm dry accommodation and warm clothing whilst actively seeking work or training I could see your point but none of the videos I see are asking for that sort of stuff by the great unwashed - unless you can show me different but of course we all know you'll go off radar now. No change there.