Petrol and diesel car sales ban brought forward to 2035

Yes, I used to get up at 4am to get on the M25 (North end not South like by you) by 5am - it was very busy then too and that was 10 years ago. The M25 is a beast indeed and so is the North Circ :)
The problem, as ever, was funding.

Several ring roads (known as Ringways) were planned around London and only parts of them were built. So they decided to join up Ringways 3 and 4 into one ring road.

Did you know the M25 started life as the M16 (Ringway 3) up at Potters Bar? The reason why the motorway splits in two at South Mimms is that the rest of Ringway 3 was meant to extend from there but it was never built.
 
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As for the N and S Circ, at least the N Circ is much wider! It was built in the 1930's when London was still being developed, so there was room to put wide roads through. But by the time the S Circ was planned, it was the 1960's and there was far less room.
 
Talking of unfinished roads, the M1 was intended to carry on from its junction at Staples Corner to meet Ringway 1 and the M23 was to be continued to meet Ringway 2, but both R1 & R2 were scrapped.

M23:

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Are electric cars prone to catching fire?

I wonder because I tried cutting an old flat lithium battery that was seemingly uncharged. After a few seconds it got too hot to touch abd started sparking.
That was just an old battery from a Samsung tablet.

It seems crash damaged teslas even catch fire days later at the car compound.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...e-doors-model-s-trial-elon-musk-a9169691.html
They do, but the numbers so far imply they do it less than petrol cars and so fewer people are dying because of them.

But the numbers on the road are still pretty low and they aren't that old yet so it could get worse. Although places like Norway where there's loads of EVs around should be able to show that sooner than most places.

The battery design is different in EVs as they've got more room and weight to play with.
 
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People used to be against Fuel injection for the same reason when it first came out. There is about 14w of power in each cell and even when fully discharged they can hold 6-7w. Very easy to start a fire. by shorting an 18650.

They tend to burn, rather than explode.
 
I do a lot more video conferencing now than I did in my younger years. In my 20s it was actively encouraged to drive to a client in the north, do a days work and then drive home. 3-400 miles easy. All before speed cameras and largely you could cruise at speeds that you wouldn’t drive at now.

It was all about maximum billing hours to rise to the top. Now that would be a law suit waiting to happen.

Irony of ironies, I had a 350-mile, 7hrs of driving, work day yesterday.
And strangely, despite cruise control and decent traffic levels for much of the journeys, my old football knee feels less - than - perfect today.......
 
The problem, as ever, was funding.

Several ring roads (known as Ringways) were planned around London and only parts of them were built. So they decided to join up Ringways 3 and 4 into one ring road.

Did you know the M25 started life as the M16 (Ringway 3) up at Potters Bar? The reason why the motorway splits in two at South Mimms is that the rest of Ringway 3 was meant to extend from there but it was never built.
Where did it split at P.B? I lived there for 7 years and can't think where it splits. It's bit of a sweeping bend at South Mimms and an accident hotspot, is that the place?

And I remember how empty the M25 was when it was built - lovely! Not like the road now, and as mentioned in Good Omens!
 
Irony of ironies, I had a 350-mile, 7hrs of driving, work day yesterday.
And strangely, despite cruise control and decent traffic levels for much of the journeys, my old football knee feels less - than - perfect today.......

My back was ruined by spending too many hours in cars that I'd selected for their performance not their comfort. I was a convert to comfortable cars when I was given a 190E merc as a loaner. I could drive 4 hours and be fresh at the other end.
 
People used to be against Fuel injection for the same reason when it first came out. There is about 14w of power in each cell and even when fully discharged they can hold 6-7w. Very easy to start a fire. by shorting an 18650.

They tend to burn, rather than explode.
Pedantry time: you probably mean Ah or Wh. 6-7w would be enough to warm the cell by about a degree... :mrgreen:
 
Unlike the M62 which does that because of a farmhouse.
The owner did refuse to sell for the motorway to be built, but in the end they were saved by a geological fault which meant the road could not be built on the farmland, hence the split.
 
What about the jobs for all those that depend on fossil fuels? I work in the oil and gas industry, in 30 years time the industry will be dead in the UK, I'll be out of a job (though I should be close to retiring by then but I can't seem to spare the cash for a pension so I'll be working till I drop)

The work being done reducing ice emissions can only get better, and different fuel blends are coming out to help, this surely must be something to consider.

At the very least they should still be allowing hybrids with strict emissions to be sold.

Electric cars although might be better for cities, they do use an enormous amount of ores that require heavy mining, and the destruction of the landscape in order to produce this.

The machinery required to do all this is huge great diesel engines which have very very loose emissions standards.

The batteries currently struggle to be recycled.

Cargo ships have virtually no emissions to adhere to, I firmly believe they should be forced to be on par with road going vehicles. The technology is there they just don't want to use it because they don't have to.

If we can reduce the cargo ship emissions globally, we wouldn't have to completely wipe out the ICE.

I dont see the government have really thought this ban through, they haven't set any detailed plans into how this is going to be achieved, there have been many good points in this thread already, but no one seems to know the answers.

It's a mess, and seems to be a knee jerk reaction to Greta Thungberg. Which although I'm sure she has some valid points, she isn't really telling us anything we don't know already, although people may be taking more notice.

But the government really shouldn't be making these unthought out decisions on a whim and trying to confirm to populism. All that will happen is a disaster.
 
What about the jobs for all those that depend on fossil fuels?

Surely they will get the same treatment as for jobs in the horseshoe industry, the typewriter business, the camera trade, and motorcycle manufacturing.
 
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