Toby Young Eugenicist - Let them die

EddieM said:
Don't have the capacity maybe?
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It has thus far failed to ask Academic labs, private and civil service labs to use their facilities to ramp up testing.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...nd-ignored-offers-testing-help-amid-mounting/

Also Gove lying as usual.

https://www.itv.com/news/2020-03-31...-there-is-a-shortage-of-test-kit-ingredients/

Well I've just talked to the Chemical Industries Association, which represents the UK's very substantial chemicals industry.

It has contacted its members, and they've said there is no shortage of the relevant reagents.

So the Association has now been in touch with Mr Gove’s office to find out what he means, because it is stumped.

The UK strategy is not to test widely.
 
Mr Gove has had enough of experts.

He is not to be trusted.
 
Toby Young says "spending £350 billion to prolong the lives of a few hundred thousand mostly elderly people is an irresponsible use of taxpayers’ money."

That is not the purpose.

The purpose is to prevent the NHS being overwhelmed, uncontrolled disease, mass panic, corpses rotting in the street, breakdown of society, gangs of survivors looting and stealing.

£350billion would be a bargain.
 
JohnD said:
Toby Young says "spending £350 billion to prolong the lives of a few hundred thousand mostly elderly people is an irresponsible use of taxpayers’ money."

That is not the purpose.

The purpose is to prevent the NHS being overwhelmed, uncontrolled disease, mass panic, corpses rotting in the street, breakdown of society, gangs of survivors looting and stealing.

£350billion would be a bargain.
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It's ideology.

Brexiters say you can trash the economy because Brexit is more important.

Toby and his ilk argue you must save the economy by letting people die.

So Brexit > Economy > People

Death Cult.
 
I think the testing is probably more a case of using it effectively. Deputy Mrs Expert touched on it yesterday. She reckons it's more effective when there are pockets of infection and in the UK it's widely spread. The way the numbers are presented it doesn't look like it is widely spread but it is. The other problem is the turn round time on the test. By the time the results are back some one may have become infected. Korea are testing and isolating people entering the country. They are isolated for 12 hours to give time for test results. Even that is enough time for some one to catch it so a lot of separate rooms would be needed.

The reason Korea and Singapore are different seems to be down to software. Korea used mobile phone tracking so they could even text people who had been near a contact. Collect self isolating people and a whole load of other info including people who had recovered. Barcodes etc delivered to mobile phone so people could be checked. So if some one had been near a contact they probably got some sort of code and if they didn't isolate and went out that could be checked. Big brother etc but it seems to be effective. Some university here reckons it might still be of some help for when lockdowns are eased. Pass but really ???

So effectively some of the East having been here before were prepared and went their own way rather than relying on what seems to be a standard approach.
 
Tweet from Dr Alex Gates yesterday:

Had a delivery of visors today from NHS England!
How many? 1.

They sent one
 
Who cares what some dip stick journalist thinks

As for letting some one die

As said on the radio this morning

Who would be more deserving of a ventilator that is in short supply

A sick critical care worker / nurse

Or some murderer / child killer who is ill in prison

???
 
From another Dr:


"I think if they spent less on useless Advisors they could spend more on useful Visors"
 
Notch7 said:
Question for the govt:
Why is Germany doing more than a half a million coronavirus tests a week and we still haven’t managed to reach our target of 10,000 a day
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Half a million of what?
How many are repeat tests?

A guy who lives in a town called Munster (sic?) in Germany was on about CV on R5L last night, and said that you just rock up at the clinic, and get tested.
So, how many people are having multiple tests done? Surely, the point is to collect data on number of positive cases. In which case, you wouldn't refuse anyone a test, would you? (we even need data on the possibility /likelihood of becoming reinfected, so even those with previous positive tests should have them done, if they request them?)

He also reckoned that the reagents were made in Germany, so the UK would not necessarily be able to get easy hold of them (where he got this info from though, he didn't say).
 
Ultimately tests will need to. Be done weekly or fortnightly

On the entire population

?
 
transam said:
Ultimately tests will need to. Be done weekly or fortnightly

On the entire population

?
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That's the rub really. We don't know what they intend to do and wont until there is a lock down change. There will be people who haven't caught it. None that still have it? Lots on 3 months self isolation. Keeps them out of hospital in most cases but many may find they need to shop say once a week. Then there are 1million plus vulnerable people. Plus as they expected gp's to come up with 600,000 more. No figures on how many went on the list this way.

The video earlier came out with some numbers - they have 3.5million immunity tests followed shortly by we don't know if they work. The don't know if they work and a bad test being no better than no testing has cropped up several times. So who and how are 3.5million being evaluated to make sure they work. If they don't work why do we have 3.5million of them. Maybe it is a sensible number to use to test them. Personally I feel it's more like a lowish number for statistically testing the population to see who has had it. It's about 5%. Pass but really do wonder as apart from testing they can only guess statistically how many have had it - risky.

The positive pressure thingy was mentioned, 1,000 a day. I heard a figure of 1000 a week as well. JCB and the steel casings for Dyson ventilators - waiting to be told to get on with it. A prof that runs the virology department of some hospital said that a proportion of the available ventilators are old designs - inferred that the new ones are better.

The FT has been hammering the Gov on ventilators. Here is the response

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/response-to-the-financial-times-article-on-ventilators

No mention of logistics or numbers. It is a fact that delivery times may be too long but if they have been told them we should be as well.
 
Interesting
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/03/31/mps-fury-governments-decision-order-ventilators-china/

Usual screwball newspaper news though. China are probably been asked to produce the designs as we can't make them quickly enough ourselves. As an example that I know is 100% true Rolls Royce have been asking there suppliers to have stuff made in China for some time. The companies concerned do have the contacts to do that. How do I know. My brother worked for an aerospace company until very recently when he retired. He decided to retire for the same reason as me. Neither of us had to.
 
So Uk claimed testing of 10k - in reality more like 5k so about 35k a week.

Using the same proportion for Germany so 500k tests a week amounts to 250k in reality. That is still a factor of 7 more.
 
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