NHS Contact Tracing App

[ReganAndCarter]

There was a phone app developed a few years ago designed to warn those meeting up in countries with small populations whether their intended 'date' was a relative.

Shame they never had that in Norfolk.

 

[mattylad]

Come on guys, this is the UK we are talking about.
If we can feck something like this up we will, our government could not organise a pizz up in a brewery.
It won't work, it will be too late and then it will be abused.

 

[Brigadier]

Come on guys, this is the UK we are talking about.
If we can feck something like this up we will, our government could not organise a pizz up in a brewery.
It won't work, it will be too late and then it will be abused.

It'll work just enough to pizz the common citizen off, yet the scrotes will generally be unfettered by it.

 

[SirGalahad]

If Google/Apple allowed this sort of App then they'd allow it for any nation. Which is iffy when you also provide phones in more repressive regimes.

Apple have history of refusing government access to devices and refusing to enable back doors. That they may also maintain varying levels of tracking information, some anonymous, some not, doesn't mean that they should allow anything without looking at the consequences.

My guess is the sticking point is the ability to deanonymise. That's a big deal.

Bingo.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-giving-ministers-power-to-de-anonymise-users

A draft government memo explaining how the NHS contact-tracing app could stem the spread of the coronavirus said ministers might be given the ability to order “de-anonymisation” to identify people from their smartphones, the Guardian can reveal.

The health secretary, Matt Hancock, announced on Sunday that the UK planned to introduce an app that would enable people who developed Covid-19 symptoms to “anonymously” alert other users to whom they had been in close proximity. “All data will be handled according to the highest ethical and security standards, and would only be used for NHS care and research,” he said.

We are dealing with Matt Hancock here.

 

[Doug99]

"However, the government document seen by the Guardian, headed “official – sensitive” and “draft – not yet approved”, suggests the NHS privately considered using the technology to identify users."

Which equates to a scribbled note by a govt 'advisor' on the back of a fag packet.....duh!

 

[motorbiking]

Best left to apple and google to develop on a global scale and do a decent job. Not a govt IT project that will keep all the usual Quentins and Ruperts with a 2:1 in business change management busy for years only to deliver something written in COBOL for Covid-25

 

[ajohn]

To be honest I can't see what all the fuss is about. If gov wants to keep track of where I have been for the past rolling 21 days I couldn't care less. I couldn't care less if the police could get at it either and as mentioned I am pretty sure they can already. Came from the land of the free America. Other than them requesting it there is no further info around at all but any phone can demonstrate that it works. It's just not as precise as GPS.

Cookies on the web have been put on steroids as well. What's different when compared with people tracking.

The UK has been mentioned as the most watched population in the west - cameras. They could do more with those than they appear to.

 

[ajohn]

In January 2019, the location of her iPhone as determined by her sister helped Boston police find kidnapping victim Olivia Ambrose.[14]

Privacy
Locating or positioning touches upon delicate privacy issues, since it enables someone to check where a person is without the person's consent.[15] Strict ethics and security measures are strongly recommended for services that employ positioning.
In 2012 Malte Spitz held a TED talk[16] on the issue of mobile phone privacy in which he showcased his own stored data that he received from Deutsche Telekom after suing the company. He described the data, which consists of 35,830 lines of data collected during the span of Germany's data retention at the time, saying, "This is six months of my life [...] You can see where I am, when I sleep at night, what I'm doing." He partnered up with ZEIT Online and made his information publicly available in an interactive map which allows users to watch his entire movements during that time in fast-forward. Spitz concluded that technology consumers are the key to challenging privacy norms in today's society who "have to fight for self determination in the digital age."[17][18]

 

[transam]

This chinese flu caper has become a nosey Parker nosey neighbour charter

Who's going out etc and reporting them

That MP who took some meds to his parents and got reported

Bloke walking his dog around here yesterday morning never ever spoke to him asked me where I was going

Told him was going out

Should have told him to mind his business and go and do one

 

[durhamplumber]

This chinese flu caper has become a nosey Parker nosey neighbour charter

Who's going out etc and reporting them

That MP who took some meds to his parents and got reported

Bloke walking his dog around here yesterday morning never ever spoke to him asked me where I was going

Told him was going out

Should have told him to mind his business and go and do one

If people obeyed the rules.saved lives.protect NHS would be no need to check on people wandering about
UNfortunately a thick self centred ignorant minority need it spelling out in words of one syllable...Repeatedly.

 

[noseall]

To be honest I can't see what all the fuss is about. If gov wants to keep track of where I have been for the past rolling 21 days I couldn't care less

Me neither.
Paranoid mattylad and doug99 obviously have a lot to hide.

 

[transam]

If people obeyed the rules.saved lives.protect NHS would be no need to check on people wandering about
UNfortunately a thick self centred ignorant minority need it spelling out in words of one syllable...Repeatedly.

Quite agree

I am excluded from that minority

 

[ajohn]

Me neither.
Paranoid mattylad and doug99 obviously have a lot to hide.

Biggest laugh is that it's going on in all sorts of ways anyway - even via phones. Thing is if that guy who saw 6months of his life and had murdered some one on the way or etc he may have been caught as a result. Really it's best for people to not know about it for obvious reasons.

 

[JP_]

UNfortunately a thick self centred ignorant minority need it spelling out in words of one syllable...Repeatedly.

But how can you tell the difference between one of these, and somebody visiting somebody they care for, a frontline support worker going to work, somebody shopping for elderly relatives, - all these types of people have been attacked in recent weeks by people who think they are doing wrong when they are helping people.

Best to leave it to the police to sort out and watch TV instead of twitching those curtains all day.

 

[mattylad]

So, now I find that there will be no central database and the police are unlikely to have access to your data - until you have allowed the NHS access as the data for it is stored on your phone and not communicated to anyone.