Can't We Use This Anymore?

[securespark]

On R5L, a caller kept saying CP.

The presenter kept saying, you can't say that, you have to say "people of colour": if you use that again, I will cut you off.

He used it again, so got cut off.

Can we really not say that anymore?

 

[EFLImpudence]

Apparently not.

Although no one has come up with a logical reason for it.

Well, there can't be one can there? It is nonsense.


Oh, being 'offended' for no good reason is not a satisfactory one.

 

[charliegolf]

Oh, being 'offended' for no good reason is not a satisfactory one.

Hasn't a court in UK actually said so EFL? Or have I made that up?

 

[EFLImpudence]

Quite possibly.

The English-speaking world has gone mad.


I am 'offended' by the term 'people of colour'.

That's why I always take the **** and write 'people of whiteness' etc.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

If people are aware it's considered offensive, but they insist on its continued use, what does that suggest?

For information, it used to refer to non-white people. Thus it harks back to the age of apartheid and severe racism, differentiating only between white people and non-white people.
People of colour allows the differentiation between many different ethnicities, without conglomerating them into one category.

If people can't adapt to modern language, especially its sensitivity towards other ethnicities, perhaps they ought to question their own abilities.

 

[Notch7]

the term goes back to racial segregation in the USA, I think.

I think the problem with radio stations etc have ofcom and are paranoid of not following the rules.

I dont think its very helpful TBH, there are bigger fish to fry.

 

[Notch7]

People of colour allows the differentiation between many different ethnicities, without conglomerating them into one category

Im not sure how that proves your point

 

[EFLImpudence]

Precisely the point.

Absolutely no different than 'people of colour'.

 

[festive]

Its fking unbelievable.

The irony being black is the absence of light. And isnt visible on the visible spectrum of colour. Technically both black and white are shades. Sure you can mix pigments on a cmyk printer with ink colours to simulate black but it's not perfect at all. Inversely with RGB you need 255 255 255 of each colour to project white.

The whole bame or black reference yet again epitomises hypocrisy as once more despite white arguably being as much or more of a colour than black its excluded from people of colour group.

Waiting for the 'you're wrong because empirical evidence says'...

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

Im not sure how that proves your point

It recognises various ethnicities, not just one 'sub-category' as it used to be used.
If I say an American Indian, but they wanted to be recognised as the various individual tribes, so, if you wanted to refer to them as a group ethnicity, they prefer to be called a 'person of American Indian heritage', would it be so difficult to accept that?
If they did want the recognition of the various tribes, but we refused their request, what would it suggest?

It isn't about the semantics or etymology of words, it's about respect.
If one insists on using a word or term that BAME people find offensive, why continue to use it?
If we insist on referring or addressing surgeons as barbers, but they found it offensive, why would we continue to use it?

 

[EddieM]

Its fking unbelievable.

The irony being black is the absence of light. And isnt visible on the visible spectrum of colour. Technically both black and white are shades. Sure you can mix pigments on a cmyk printer with ink colours to simulate black but it's not perfect at all. Inversely with RGB you need 255 255 255 of each colour to project white.

The whole bame or black reference yet again epitomises hypocrisy as once more despite white arguably being as much or more of a colour than black its excluded from people of colour group.

Waiting for the 'you're wrong because empirical evidence says'...

Why would you mix cmyk pigments when the k is black?

 

[JohnD]

Words used for people of inferior status become derogatory by their use.

Hence "kaffir" "churl" "peasant" "boor" "servile"

Once a word has acquired derogatory meaning it becomes an insult.

 

[festive]

It recognises various ethnicities, not just one 'sub-category' as it used to be used.
If I say an American Indian, but they wanted to be recognised as the various individual tribes, so, if you wanted to refer to them as a group ethnicity, they prefer to be called a 'person of American Indian heritage', would it be so difficult to accept that?
If they did want the recognition of the various tribes, but we refused their request, what would it suggest?

It isn't about the semantics or etymology of words, it's about respect.
If one insists on using a word or term that BAME people find offensive, why continue to use it?
If we insist on referring or addressing surgeons as barbers, but they found it offensive, why would we continue to use it?

If I called someone a surgeon and they corrected me and said 'er excuse me I am offended i am an endocrinologist consultant'

I would think of him as a soppy 'cu next tuesday'

 

[festive]

Why would you mix cmyk pigments when the k is black?

Eddie i left that in for the extreme lefties..doh.

Okay thankyou standard cartridges are cyan magenta yellow right. Black cannot be mixed well from the COLOURS to make black which is why they use a particular pigment for it as it cannot make a decent black from subtractive colours. You will find this is a sep cartridge there specifically for black(K).

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

If I called someone a surgeon and they corrected me and said 'er excuse me I am offended i am an endocrinologist consultant'

I would think of him as a soppy 'cu next tuesday'

If people can't adapt to modern language, especially its sensitivity towards other ethnicities, perhaps they ought to question their own abilities.