Rascist Labour cabinet MP sacked

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

They know that they have a reputation of being anti-semitic, despite their denials and irrespective of whether its true or not. Yet for some reason, rather than just avoiding the topic, they keep supporting articles/people/movements etc that are close to the line and can be construed as anti-semetic.

So Keir Starmer was fully justified. Therefore, he acted quite properly, with no ulterior motive, other than showing the PM how to lead a party.

Starmer just used the opportunity to get rid of her and start the battle in the labour party to reduce the strength of the hard left who lost them the election.

 

[Lower]

So Keir Starmer was fully justified. Therefore, he acted quite properly, with no ulterior motive, other than showing the PM how to lead a party.

Double win for Starmer, albeit i don't think he's showing Boris anything other than his determination to bring the Labour party back to some kind of reality.

 

[EFLImpudence]

I do not know why people find this so hard to understand.

Antisemitism IS racist if that is what people are promoting.

However, the word does not apply to being anti-Jewish, anti-Israel, anti-Israeli government and/or their policies, anti-Israeli security forces and/or their policies nor mistakenly accusing any of those of something they did not do.

The word is used by all of those bodies to silence criticism of themselves immediately by falsely labelling the opponents racist and for some reason, every one appears to accept this without question - just listen to the radio; no one questions it, quite the opposite


Even more despicable is accusing pro-Palestinian groups of being anti-semitic (because anti-Israel) when the Palestinians are themselves as Semitic as the Israelis.

 

[ajohn]

Holding the Labour party together has always been tricky to some extent for all of their leaders. They are inclined to argue in public. Some of that in the Tory party of late but that is unusual.

This particular case. No choice really due to media feasts be it one thing or the other. The reason for the general "problem" is very likely to relate to the west bank situation. Supporting that doesn't sound like traditional labour of any style to me. Corbyn was reckoned to support terrorists just because he would talk to them. Some labour supporters see the general media as anti labour. In some ways that is correct at times especially if they offer anything different. That tends to support Tory party propaganda. Tell you one thing. The arguments against what Corbyn wanted to do are not as solid as some seem to think. Rather weak in some cases in fact.

 

[ajohn]

Even more despicable is accusing pro-Palestinian groups of being anti-semitic (because anti-Israel) when the Palestinians are themselves as Semitic as the Israelis.

I don't think there is much doubt that pressure groups exist that are driven by that aspect.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

I do not know why people find this so hard to understand.

Antisemitism IS racist if that is what people are promoting.

However, the word does not apply to being anti-Jewish, anti-Israel, anti-Israeli government and/or their policies, anti-Israeli security forces and/or their policies nor mistakenly accusing any of those of something they did not do.

The word is used by all of those bodies to silence criticism of themselves immediately by falsely labelling the opponents racist and for some reason, every one appears to accept this without question - just listen to the radio; no one questions it, quite the opposite


Even more despicable is accusing pro-Palestinian groups of being anti-semitic (because anti-Israel) when the Palestinians are themselves as Semitic as the Israelis.

I don't think it is hard to understand.
The definition is available for all to compare their comments and perceptions.
For instance, if RL-B had thought to consult the definition, say this one:

“Antisemitism is a certain perception of Jews, which may be expressed as hatred toward Jews. Rhetorical and physical manifestations of antisemitism are directed toward Jewish or non-Jewish individuals and/or their property, toward Jewish community institutions and religious facilities.”
https://www.holocaustremembrance.com/working-definition-antisemitism​

She would have also seen:

However, criticism of Israel similar to that leveled against any other country cannot be regarded as antisemitic. Antisemitism frequently charges Jews with conspiring to harm humanity, and it is often used to blame Jews for “why things go wrong.” It is expressed in speech, writing, visual forms and action, and employs sinister stereotypes and negative character traits.​

Clearly, the tweet served to blame Israel for the methods used in the death of George Floyd. The fact that it was not true doubles down on that. Therefore it was undoubtedly anti-Semitic.

 

[fillyboy]

I do not know why people find this so hard to understand.

Antisemitism IS racist if that is what people are promoting.

However, the word does not apply to being anti-Jewish, anti-Israel, anti-Israeli government and/or their policies, anti-Israeli security forces and/or their policies nor mistakenly accusing any of those of something they did not do.

The word is used by all of those bodies to silence criticism of themselves by immediately falsely labelling the opponents racist and for some reason, every one appears to accept this without question - just listen to the radio; no one questions it, quite the opposite


Even more despicable is accusing pro-Palestinian groups of being anti-semitic (because anti-Israel) when the Palestinians are themselves as Semitic as the Israelis.

Lets get back to basics here. Somebody (let's say for example it's a left wing pro Palestine group) has circulated stories that the police who killed George Floyd, a killing that has caused shock and outrage all over the world, were trained in this technique by the Israeli security services.
This is a proven lie, with the exception of ellal, nobody, no matter how extreme is attempting to insist it's true, because quite simply, they can't.
It's a typical anti jewish conspiracy theory and a left wing pro Palestinian shadow cabinet minister was foolish enough to re-tweet it and praise the author.
She's made a mistake and accepted the consequences, why can't you?

 

[fillyboy]

I don't think it is hard to understand.
The definition is available for all to compare their comments and perceptions.
For instance, if RL-B had thought to consult the definition, say this one:

“Antisemitism is a certain perception of Jews, which may be expressed as hatred toward Jews. Rhetorical and physical manifestations of antisemitism are directed toward Jewish or non-Jewish individuals and/or their property, toward Jewish community institutions and religious facilities.”
https://www.holocaustremembrance.com/working-definition-antisemitism​

She would have also seen:

However, criticism of Israel similar to that leveled against any other country cannot be regarded as antisemitic. Antisemitism frequently charges Jews with conspiring to harm humanity, and it is often used to blame Jews for “why things go wrong.” It is expressed in speech, writing, visual forms and action, and employs sinister stereotypes and negative character traits.​

Clearly, the tweet served to blame Israel for the methods used in the death of George Floyd. The fact that it was not true doubles down on that. Therefore it was undoubtedly anti-Semitic.

Agreed.

 

[noseall]

I'd have sacked her for having thin lips and eyes that are too close together.

There is something odd about her proportions.

 

[EFLImpudence]

“Antisemitism is a certain perception of Jews, which may be expressed as hatred toward Jews. Rhetorical and physical manifestations of antisemitism are directed toward Jewish or non-Jewish individuals and/or their property, toward Jewish community institutions and religious facilities.”
https://www.holocaustremembrance.com/working-definition-antisemitism​

That definition does not make sense. It is just something someone (the IHRA) wrote for their own benefit.

They are using a word which clearly does not apply to the definition.
There is nothing in the definition about Semitic people.
It cannot apply to Jews who are not Semitic or Semitic people who are not Jewish.

Plus, of course Jewish is not a race so, by definition, it cannot be racist.

 

[Notch7]

This is a proven lie

"there is not a working test and trace app in the world"

June 2020
Boris Johnson
proven lie

 

[Notch7]

He has a bit about him that will scare the Torys

facts
really scary to Tories.

 

[EFLImpudence]

Lets get back to basics here. Somebody (let's say for example it's a left wing pro Palestine group) has circulated stories that the police who killed George Floyd, a killing that has caused shock and outrage all over the world, were trained in this technique by the Israeli security services.

Ok, but the Jews and Palestinians are fundamentally the same 'people' divided by the dreaded religion.

This is a proven lie, with the exception of ellal, nobody, no matter how extreme is attempting to insist it's true, because quite simply, they can't.

Ok, so just trying to malign the Israeli security forces or Government.

It's a typical anti jewish conspiracy theory and a left wing pro Palestinian shadow cabinet minister was foolish enough to re-tweet it and praise the author.

Ok, so not racist, then; Jewish is a religion.

She's made a mistake and accepted the consequences, why can't you?

I can, but would just like the correct words to be used.


Had she accused MI6 of training the cops, would that be racist?

 

[EFLImpudence]

Applying to, for example, The Republic of Ireland:

“Anti-Celtism is a certain perception of Catholics, which may be expressed as hatred toward Catholics. Rhetorical and physical manifestations of anti-Celtism are directed toward Catholics or non-Catholic individuals and/or their property, toward Catholic community institutions and religious facilities.”

Clearly this is not accurate.


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[ajohn]

left wing pro Palestinian shadow cabinet minister

Completely incorrect and typical of reporting that is often seen. It implies that a person supports what some Palestinian groups get up to. They don't in this case. It's all about extending boarders via a war and also a form of racism and certain other aspects such as shooting unarmed civilians at times.