Tax and Spend Tories - over 40s to pay more Tax

[avvicci]

Is this a tax for over 40s thread? Or a sits n sh1ts thread?

If the former, my point would be that all those over 40s currently arranging to pay nominally very low headline income taxes won't even need to phone their accountant. It will be dealt with. Legally, sadly. A small subset of the PAYE taxpayers and others, will be left to pay a premium on their income which won't be nearly enough to solve the problem.

And there is the problem to the most of it.

The older generation have taken their fare share, and if wise enough, know how to take even more of the share all whilst the up coming, unwise next generation take the bill.

An un happy, non caring future work force who see everyone as a threat to their income and instead of doing a job they trained for have to have in their mind the what ifs.

All whilst un knowing to them the elite and upper class are selling off there careers and jobs they got into debt to qualify for have to move into the privatisation care industry and it becomes another easy money maker for the upper class to sit back on and make even more money legally whilst the rest of us un wise folk pick up the bill to keep these type in a life of luxury.

Future advert...if you have an accident do not call 999 or 111 buy medical insurance (cue the very fast words and terms and conditions) then pay an extra value on any further treatment.

Tories will sell anything to make a quick buck.

 

[avvicci]

Is this a tax for over 40s thread? Or a sits n sh1ts thread?

If the former, my point would be that all those over 40s currently arranging to pay nominally very low headline income taxes won't even need to phone their accountant. It will be dealt with. Legally, sadly. A small subset of the PAYE taxpayers and others, will be left to pay a premium on their income which won't be nearly enough to solve the problem.

And there is the problem to the most of it.

The older generation have taken their fare share, and if wise enough, know how to take even more of the share all whilst the up coming, unwise next generation take the bill.

An un happy, non caring future work force who see everyone as a threat to their income and instead of doing a job they trained for have to have in their mind the what ifs.

All whilst un knowing to them the elite and upper class are selling off there careers and jobs they got into debt to qualify for have to move into the privatisation care industry and it becomes another easy money maker for the upper class to sit back on and make even more money legally whilst the rest of us un wise folk pick up the bill to keep these type in a life of luxury.

Future advert...if you have an accident do not call 999 or 111 buy medical insurance (cue the very fast words and terms and conditions) then pay an extra value on any further treatment.

Tories will sell anything to make a quick buck.

 

[Mottie]

As a patient who was also expecting care and in alot of discomfort it really shouldnt fall on a patient to ask someone to do THEIR job...

oh come on, it would had taken you no time at all to mention it to a member of staff or the lady's carer, if indeed she was her carer.

Anyway, talking of doing things arse about face, are we going to see a DIY related question or answer from you on this DIY site or do you save all those DIY types of posts for the anti U.K. government political forums you frequent?

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

At first glance, it seems fair to me as long as it’s ring fenced.

"The system that officials are considering is a modified version of how Japan and Germany fund social care. Both are widely admired for having created a sustainable way of financing social care to deal with the rising needs an ageing population brings.

In Japan everyone starts contributing once they reach 40. In Germany everyone pays something towards that cost from the time they start working, and pensioners contribute too. Currently 1.5% of every person’s salary, and a further 1.5% from employers or pension funds, are ringfenced to pay for care in later life.

Older people in Germany who have had their needs assessed can use the money to pay carers to help them with personal tasks at home, or for care home fees or even to give to relatives and friends for helping to look after them.

Adopting a similar approach would let Johnson say he has ended the situation whereby some pensioners deemed too wealthy to qualify for local council-funded care have to sell their homes to pay care home costs, which can exceed £1,400 a week".

I think I'm correct in saying that private finance supplements public finance for elderly care in France. Whereas in UK and US, public finance supplements private finance.
Thus, in US and UK, private funding is the first resort, whereas in more left leaning democracies, public funding is the first resort.
In France the funding comes from the social contributions, which are similar to the NI in UK.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

Not exactly in tune with just about every other post of yours that mentions Germany.

He was being ironic, I assume.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

Why overs 40s? makes no sense to me.

Why should those who may not reach their 40th birthday, contribute to something they'll never need.

 

[Mottie]

Why should those who may not reach their 40th birthday, contribute to something they'll never need.

You could say the same about those that contribute through national insurance to their state pension. Answer is.......nobody knows when they are going to die!

 

[durhamplumber]

So it looks like the dirty scumbag socialists in power are going to tax those over 40 more.

Great!

Covid Aint gonna pay the bill Gal!...

 

[durhamplumber]

I was in a hospital not long ago.
Poor old lady (80s) was left to sit in her own excrement for the 2 hours i waited to be looked at by a consultant.

The carer (bless) who was at her side the entire time (earning good money by the sounds of it too) was to engulfed into her mobile phone to even realise the old lady had had an accident.

As said,could you not help in some way?Not sure you have either seen or posted the full picture.It is my experience many people will try and help others in distress.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

You could say the same about those that contribute through national insurance to their state pension. Answer is.......nobody knows when they are going to die!

Yeah.... granted..... but one is a risk based decision (you might need care, you might not), the other is a definite, (you will need a pension), assuming you live long enough.
The same argument could be applied to all the other benefits. You might need medical care, you might not, you might need unemployment benefit, you might not.

Hmm, am I arguing against my own comment, or am I highlighting an inconsistency?
Actually, to start with, I was just being tongue-in- cheek. I think I still am.
I haven't considered the potential costs of one against the potential costs of the other, which of course has too many factors to be easily considered.

 

[durhamplumber]

Actually, to start with, I was just being tongue-in- cheek. I think I still am.

Argumentative you mean.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

Argumentative you mean.

What does this mean:

 

[durhamplumber]

What does this mean:

Colon.(look it up)

 

[SirGalahad]

Well over 40s - some probably spent their 20s and 30s paying off their debt, then got married and now are paying off their mortgage only to be told to pay extra.

Whilst the landowners contribute little but sit back and earn their rents. We have

LVT would solve many issues - but why are so many against it?

Covid Aint gonna pay the bill Gal!...

Tories have raised taxes - they are a bunch of commies.

 

[durhamplumber]

What does this mean:

Colon.(look it up)