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Did you skip biology at school?
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Maybe we did a higher level of biology than the average.
Sex assignment (sometimes known as gender assignment) is the discernment of an infant's sex at birth. Assignment may be done prior to birth through prenatal sex discernment. In the majority of births, a relative, midwife, nurse or physician inspects the genitalia when the baby is delivered and sex is assigned without ambiguity.
The number of births where the baby is intersex—where they do not fit into typical definitions of male and female at birth—has been reported to be as low as 0.018%, but is often estimated at around 0.2%
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_assignment
I think we can safely assume that you are not aware of the genital anatomy of this athlete at birth, either. Otherwise you would have provided the link to the source of your information.The number of births where the baby is intersex—where they do not fit into typical definitions of male and female at birth—has been reported to be as low as 0.018%, but is often estimated at around 0.2%
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_assignment
Or maybe birds who look like blokes just aren't his type.
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We're discussing the undisclosed genital anatomy of a specific athlete at birth.
I think it's safe to assume that she's not anyone's type, at birth. Unless you want to differ?
So in your logic BD, you are advocating the acceptance that any old male can compete in female sports because a small number of people are born intersex?
Or are you just highlighting sexual androgony to deflect away from the fact that just because Harry decides to don a wig and changes his name to Harriet, does not qualify a testosterone reared male as a woman. Incidentally, surely all those born sexually ambiguous will have had an identity apportioned to them by the time they are eligible to compete for an Olympic spot?
Or are you just highlighting sexual androgony to deflect away from the fact that just because Harry decides to don a wig and changes his name to Harriet, does not qualify a testosterone reared male as a woman. Incidentally, surely all those born sexually ambiguous will have had an identity apportioned to them by the time they are eligible to compete for an Olympic spot?
No, we are discussing the fact that, just because a bloke wears nail varnish it does not mean he can compete against women.
Poor Bobby cannot grasp that what is today fashionably called "gender" (optional, a matter of personal choice, can be altered at whim) is not the same as "sex" which is a matter of biological fact.
I wonder if he sincerely believes that two people of the same sex but different genders can make a baby together.
I wonder if he sincerely believes that two people of the same sex but different genders can make a baby together.
Perhaps BD does not understand Testosterone and Oestrogen?
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We're discussing the case of one athlete who has transitioned to be a female.
We don't know what her genital anatomy was at birth, so it's pointless basing any assumption on the assigning of 'male' to her at birth.
For all we know, she might have been born sexually ambiguous, and her parents were asked what sex they choose for her. Maybe they chose male for whatever reasons they concluded at the time.
It' isn't about anyone deciding they want to compete as female. It's about one athlete who has transitioned to female over a period of about ten years, and has passed the medical tests required by the committee for her to compete as a female.
We don't know whether she had any advantage of testosterone, etc. that's been purely assumption based on her birth assignment, and her competing as a male.
There's a lot of detail about this case that we don't know, despite the many claims to know, and we shouldn't make silly assumptions that what has happened in this case automatically applies to any male who wishes to compete as a female.
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Sex is not binary. It can be ambiguous. I have presented numerous scientific evidence to support that point.
It is usual for a sex to be assigned at birth, by the parents or whoever is in attendance. But it may not, and sometimes does not fully equate to the actual genital or reproductive capability, if there is any.
It may not and sometimes does not equate to the gender perceived by the person concerned. They can change their gender, and the sex on their birth certificate.
So it's reasonable to describe sex as something assigned at birth and printed on the birth certificate, but that can be changed, just like gender can be changed.
So even though sex can be described as biological, it can be biologically ambiguous.
I'm not aware of any instances where sex determination is delayed until a full and detailed medical examination can be performed.
In other cultures, ambiguous sex is more acceptable, e.g. South Asian. It is much less acceptable in typical western countries.
And please stop being condescending with your silly questions and assumptions. It is not necessary, it is not worthy of you, and it suggests that you are not concerned with discussion, but more about insisting your opinion dominates.
well Imho this entire caper is a complete nonsense , there are only two sexes
male or female (simples)
All these experts (fruit cakes) peddeling there own agenda generally boils down to some type of finacial gain
olympics in the future will descend into some type of freak show
male or female (simples)
All these experts (fruit cakes) peddeling there own agenda generally boils down to some type of finacial gain
olympics in the future will descend into some type of freak show
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There are only two choices.
And, therefore some people have to choose between the one or the other. Except they don't get to choose, the decision is made by A N Other, and they're obliged to live with it until such time that they can take control of their own lives.
If you're in a room with only two doors, you have to choose one door to exit. With the choice of which sex, it's not possible to stay in the room for ever, deciding which door to choose.
Fortunately, these days you can go back into the room and emerge out the other door, if you think a mistake was made.
Sex is factual.
And binary.
It is not a "feeling."
You keep applying the flexibility and ambiguity of what is today fashionably called "gender" and trying to say that it applies to sex.
It is quite different.
If you "choose" something, it may be your gender, but it is not your sex.
And binary.
It is not a "feeling."
You keep applying the flexibility and ambiguity of what is today fashionably called "gender" and trying to say that it applies to sex.
It is quite different.
If you "choose" something, it may be your gender, but it is not your sex.
