Omicron variant caught a cold

[IT Minion]

They have tentatively suggesting that maybe up to 1m people have been carrying the virus recently. Obviously that will relate to hospital use etc. Double that number and the other numbers will increase as well. It can only be an estimate though.

We've been around that level for months now. The ONS survey has had us in the region of 1 in 60 since July hasn't it?

 

[Justin Passing]

There's no reason to assume Omicron is more or less dangerous than Delta yet.

There is, depending what your mean by "dangerous". It's a matter of what you believe and which experts you consider yourself to be above...

Multiple expert opinions are mentioned here https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/om...-Covid-hospitalisation-data-South-Africa.html

Whitty is doing his job to be ultra cautious and also predicates his judgment on the amount of pre-existing immunity he's assuming for South Africans. Experts on the ground view it rather differently.
Perhaps he sees his duty as pressuring the great unvaxxed.

 

[denso13]

Perhaps he sees his duty as pressuring on great unvaxxed.

Or perhaps it is actually what he believes.

 

[Deleted member 292770]

Isn't it likely that if there is an explosion in case numbers, then those unvaccinated folks who have managed to dodge covid will get caught up in that explosion.

No more likely to get it than anyone else surely. The vaccine doesn’t provide some magical cloak as far as i’ve heard.

 

[Deleted member 292770]

There's no reason to assume Omicron is more or less dangerous than Delta yet.

Yes there is. Clearly less hospital admissions and deaths. Plus lets not forget the evidence from the South Africans.

 

[Notch7]

The vaccine doesn’t provide some magical cloak as far as i’ve heard

Tip for you: perfection is the enemy of the good



The vaccine has broken the link between infection and hospitalisation.

the vaccine has saved thousands of lives

 

[IT Minion]

There is, depending what your mean by "dangerous". It's a matter of what you believe and which experts you consider yourself to be above...

Multiple expert opinions are mentioned here https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/om...-Covid-hospitalisation-data-South-Africa.html

Whitty is doing his job to be ultra cautious and also predicates his judgment on the amount of pre-existing immunity he's assuming for South Africans. Experts on the ground view it rather differently.
Perhaps he sees his duty as pressuring the great unvaxxed.

I consider Chris Whitty, backed by SAGE to be better informed than a sociologist from South Africa who sits on an ethics board, but who has no role in their Covid response.

None of the others are saying that we know it's more or less dangerous. Which is exactly what I've been saying for days now, and that you're starting to grasp at last.

The only thing of interest in that article was a mention of a study on real world effects released in the last few days, that would be worth reading.

Edit: As far as I can tell there was a press release from a private health insurance company that crunched numbers but the study results themselves, and the method etc. have not been released. Which means it needs to be taken with a truck full of salt. There has been more than one example of dodgy science in similar circumstances during the Pandemic.

 

[JP_]

Clearly less hospital admissions

Are you sure?

LONDON, Dec 15 (Reuters) - Hospitalisation rates are rising in some areas in Britain as the Omicron coronavirus variant sparks a wave of new infections
https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk...g-number-cases-will-break-records-2021-12-15/

and from across the pond

Seeing that this new wave has only just started, it is a bit soon to be claiming that it is harmless and nobody is dying.

 

[Justin Passing]

I consider Chris Whitty, backed by SAGE to be better informed than a sociologist from South Africa who sits on an ethics board, but who has no role in their Covid response.

None of the others are saying that we know it's more or less dangerous. Which is exactly what I've been saying for days now, and that you're starting to grasp at last.

The only thing of interest in that article was a mention of a study on real world effects released in the last few days, that would be worth reading.

Edit: As far as I can tell there was a press release from a private health insurance company that crunched numbers but the study results themselves, and the method etc. have not been released. Which means it needs to be taken with a truck full of salt. There has been more than one example of dodgy science in similar circumstances during the Pandemic.

You may respect the man, pity you didn't understand what he, and the others, are saying.
Move on to the "Respectable Experts", for whom it appears you have no respect.

"Which is exactly what I've been saying for days now, and that you're starting to grasp at last." I long since grasped that you have nothing to say, and you drop crap into posts. Such as decrying the job of the Prof who said what their experts are saying, or the "as far as I can see" bit. Look further.

 

[JP_]

You may respect the man, pity you didn't understand what he, and the others, are saying.
Move on to the "Respectable Experts", for whom it appears you have no respect.

"Which is exactly what I've been saying for days now, and that you're starting to grasp at last." I long since grasped that you have nothing to say, and you drop crap into posts. Such as the "as far as I can see" bit. Look further.

Is this in response to what I posted, or somebody else?

 

[Justin Passing]

Are you sure?

Seeing that this new wave has only just started, it is a bit soon to be claiming that it is harmless and nobody is dying.

Nobody is saying that.

Look in Africa, where it's been running since October.

Their medical spokesperson has said they have had no deaths from omicron. Even if not true they only have 24 or so a day, and I see all those in contact saying it's less bad than delta.

 

[Justin Passing]

Is this in response to what I posted, or somebody else?

Sorry, the one above.

 

[JP_]

Nobody is saying that.

Some people here are. The first UK death has already been disputed on this forum. There's a whole thread about it being just like a cold now.

People need to sit back for a bit and see what happens before making claims that could impact other people's lives in a very negative way.

But the only people with their knickers in a twist seem to be the deniers and antis, who once again think advice to wear a mask, get a vaccine and work from home if you can, is a major breach of human rights and freedoms.

 

[JohnD]

No more likely to get it than anyone else surely. The vaccine doesn’t provide some magical cloak as far as i’ve heard.

Godwas is using false claim no. 3.

Antivaxxers and deniers like to cycle through a few popular hoaxes
1) There is no "virus"
2) The disease is not dangerous
3) Vaccines do not help
4) Vaccines kill more people than the disease

All of these claims are false, but they keep being made.

 

[JP_]

He's right though, the vaccine does not form a magical cloak of protection.

It's medicine.