Petition for control of unsafe electrical items

[opps]

Interesting. That may be true of saw blades but I thought (perhaps wrongly) that it was illegal to import 'finished consumer electrical goods' into the UK unless they were CE-marked (and legitimately compliant with what that implied) - or, now, the post-Brexit equivalent of CE-marking (and implied compliances). Is that not the case?

Kind Regards, John

How do you define "finished" products? I could import 230v products in to the UK, fix a UK plug, apply for certification and then sell them.

 

[BS3036]

How do you define "finished" products? I could import 230v products in to the UK, fix a UK plug, apply for certification and then sell them.

Interesting. Who are you going to 'apply for certification' to?

 

[BlueLoo]

Sounds like a manufacturer sponsored import ban.

If it's to a reasonable, approved standard, what's the problem?

 

[JohnW2]

How do you define "finished" products?

By common sense, I suppose - a product which is 'ready to use, out of the box'.

I could import 230v products in to the UK, fix a UK plug, apply for certification and then sell them.

As has been asked, what is this 'certification' you seek? Attaching a UK plug will not render it UKCA- (ex-CE) marked if it wasn't already, and nor will it render a UKCA marking which (because of absence of relevant compliances) is not valid.

Kind Regards, John

 

[JohnW2]

AFAIK all online marketplaces are required to obey UK laws when selling into the UK.
No new laws are required, your just p1$$ing up a wall with no hope of a change with a petition, it will achieve nothing as existing laws are already ignored and not policed.

Indeed - that's exactly what I've been saying from the start

If you want unsafe stuff removed from sale then report it to trading standards who are tasked with stopping it.

Yes, but you'd still be largely "just p1$$ing up a wall" since, although tasked with that job, Trading Standards are not resourced to do it to any appreciable extent.

Kind Regards, John

 

[opps]

By common sense, I suppose - a product which is 'ready to use, out of the box'.
As has been asked, what is this 'certification' you seek? Attaching a UK plug will not render it UKCA- (ex-CE) marked if it wasn't already, and nor will it render a UKCA marking which (because of absence of relevant compliances) is not valid.

Kind Regards, John

Again, I fail to understand what point you are trying to make.

When I mentioned fitting a plug and applying for certification, I was referring to applying for CE/UKCA certification. That DOES NOT need to be done prior to importation. It only needs to be done prior to sale. In my hypothetical example, the product in question ticks all of the relevant UK/EU legislation boxes bar the fused 3 pin plug for the UK.

There are many UK firms that sell products using components sourced from places like China. Do you really believe that every component has a CE certificate before being shipped from China?

The CE certificate is self certified. You do not hand the product to a government regulatory body and pay them to certify it. You offer an assurance that it is up to scratch. A reputable company will have paid an authorised EU/UK testing body to inspect it.

 

[JohnW2]

Again, I fail to understand what point you are trying to make.

Sorry about that - but I don't know how I could have expressed myself any more clearly.

When I mentioned fitting a plug and applying for certification, I was referring to applying for CE/UKCA certification.

As you go on to acknowledge, CE is self-certified, so I still don't understand what you mean by "applying for" CE/UKCA certification (I don't know for sure, but I imagine the the UKCA system is similarly 'self-certified'?).

That DOES NOT need to be done prior to importation. It only needs to be done prior to sale.

As I said before, I thought (but maybe incorrectly) that CE certification was required as a condition of importation (of 'finished consumer items' - i.e. ones ready for retail sale to consumers) into the EU (hence, I thought similarly with UKCA for import of such a product into UK). Am I wrong?

In my hypothetical example, the product in question ticks all of the relevant UK/EU legislation boxes bar the fused 3 pin plug for the UK.

That's different, since it is entirely about specific UK legislation, nothing to do with the EU (hence CE).

There are many UK firms that sell products using components sourced from places like China. Do you really believe that every component has a CE certificate before being shipped from China?

That's why I have been talking about 'finished consumer products'. I suppose it depends upon how one defines a 'component', and nor do I know whether components (in the usual sense) are within the scope of any of the Directives to which CE-marking relates, but I certainly do not expect to see CE (or UKCA) marking on 'components' (as I would use the term).

Kind Regards, John