Supporting Ukraine

[ellal]

Ironically the only thing the Russophobes achieved was make their worst nightmare come true when Russia became a superpower controlling half of Europe.

Is it any wonder Putin is using stalins tactics.

Corrected for you

'Ironically the thing that the realists saw being realised was that our worst nightmare came true when Russia became a superpower controlling half of Europe'.

 

[Vinty]

Also the phased invasion of first the Crimea

How many people were killed in the phased "invasion" of Crimea compared to Tony Blairs "Liberation" of Iraq.
What about Nato bombing Libya on the pretext of protecting ethnic segments of the population from mad colonel Gaddafi.
Later admitted to be based on false intelligence, sorry i should have said faulty intelligence.

As to the subject of staged atrocities, didn't Tony Blair claim that 600,000 bodies had been found in mass graves in Iraq.

 

[JP_]

Just saw this on my LinkedIn feed. Says it all really. Normal people putting their lives on the line for their country, against insurmountable odds.

 

[transam]

How many people were killed in the phased "invasion" of Crimea compared to Tony Blairs "Liberation" of Iraq.
What about Nato bombing Libya on the pretext of protecting ethnic segments of the population from mad colonel Gaddafi.
Later admitted to be based on false intelligence, sorry i should have said faulty intelligence.

As to the subject of staged atrocities, didn't Tony Blair claim that 600,000 bodies had been found in mass graves in Iraq.

so as I understand it ? you are pointing out the hypocrasy . Agreed its a hypocritical world
but pointing out the wests hypocritical behaviour will change nowt to what is going on in Ukraine (imo)

They are the ones who are fighting and dieing , western forces are not directly involved

 

[IT Minion]

How many people were killed in the phased "invasion" of Crimea compared to Tony Blairs "Liberation" of Iraq.
What about Nato bombing Libya on the pretext of protecting ethnic segments of the population from mad colonel Gaddafi.
Later admitted to be based on false intelligence, sorry i should have said faulty intelligence.

As to the subject of staged atrocities, didn't Tony Blair claim that 600,000 bodies had been found in mass graves in Iraq.

Whataboutery.

It was the first stage, just like Hitler's seizure of the sudentenland and just as honest.

 

[ellal]

And if you can't explain by now, you never will.

Europe weakened by pathetic little inconsequential U.K. leaving the EU? All you cribbed about was losing free healthcare in Iceland and free university education for UK students in EU countries.

Norway actually, but then you don't care do you...

And geopolitics isn't your strong point is it...

At least you were honest enough to admit you were too thick to get a decent education...

And it shows!

 

[Notch7]

How many people were killed in the phased "invasion" of Crimea compared to Tony Blairs "Liberation" of Iraq.
What about Nato bombing Libya on the pretext of protecting ethnic segments of the population from mad colonel Gaddafi.
Later admitted to be based on false intelligence, sorry i should have said faulty intelligence.

As to the subject of staged atrocities, didn't Tony Blair claim that 600,000 bodies had been found in mass graves in Iraq.

false equivalence.

Iraq was being run by a brutal dictator.

Crimea was invaded by Putin for no good reason.


Vinty you are sounding more like a Putin apologist by the day, how much is he paying you.

 

[motorbiking]

Imagine the IoW was pro-Macron, French speaking, pro independence and France decided to help them gain their freedom. That is Putin's reason for invading Crimea. I'm not defending him, but it was not for no reason.

 

[IT Minion]

Imagine the IoW was pro-Macron, French speaking, pro independence and France decided to help them gain their freedom. That is Putin's reason for invading Crimea. I'm not defending him, but it was not for no reason.

You missed the bit about France lacking warm water ports and the IoW having one.

 

[Notch7]

Imagine the IoW was pro-Macron, French speaking, pro independence and France decided to help them gain their freedom. That is Putin's reason for invading Crimea. I'm not defending him, but it was not for no reason.

I’m not understanding the word “independence” in your post.

Crimea is not independent, it was annexed by Russia: the currency, tax, time zone and legal system are all operational under de facto Russian control

 

[Mottie]

Norway actually, but then you don't care do you...

So your partners country is Norway? I thought your partner was Icelandic.

 

[Odds]

...Crimea was invaded by Putin for no good reason.

Crimea was reclaimed by Russia after the legitimate President of Ukraine was overthrown by a western-backed coup; according to Putin.
The region was originally bestowed to Ukraine by Kruschev on behalf of the Soviet Union in gratitude for their sacrifice during The Great Patriotic War of 1941-45, and since it was feared Ukraine would become a part of NATO the Russian Federation could not afford to have American warships using Odessa as a base to patrol the Black Sea, a region Russia considers its own.
Americans didn't like the Idea of Russian ships using Havana as a base, did they?
Crimea was invaded for very good reasons, from a Russian perspective.

 

[Notch7]

Crimea was invaded for very good reasons, from a Russian perspective.

yes, for no good reason for the people of Crimea

 

[AngleEyes]

Crimea was reclaimed by Russia after the legitimate President of Ukraine was overthrown by a western-backed coup; according to Putin.
The region was originally bestowed to Ukraine by Kruschev on behalf of the Soviet Union in gratitude for their sacrifice during The Great Patriotic War of 1941-45, and since it was feared Ukraine would become a part of NATO the Russian Federation could not afford to have American warships using Odessa as a base to patrol the Black Sea, a region Russia considers its own.
Americans didn't like the Idea of Russian ships using Havana as a base, did they?
Crimea was invaded for very good reasons, from a Russian perspective.

NATO already has access to the Black Sea, Turkey, Bulgaria and Romania are all NATO members, and have access to the Black Sea, and ports that could easily be upgraded, if required, on the Black Sea coast.
The only passage from the Mediterranean to the Black Sea is under Turkish control.
I believe Turkey is considering blocking that access to the Mediterranean to Russian warships. So the invasion of Ukraine has backfired against Russia, because this route is also a major trading route for Russia.

You might have meant the Sea of Azov, but that is very small and relatively inconsequential compared to the Black sea.

The Cuba crisis wasn't about Russian ships stopping in Cuba, it was about missiles based in Cuba.

 

[Odds]

NATO already has access to the Black Sea, Turkey, Bulgaria and Romania are all NATO members, and have access to the Black Sea, and ports that could easily be upgraded, if required, on the Black Sea coast.
The only passage from the Mediterranean to the Black Sea is under Turkish control...you might have meant the Sea of Azov, but that is very small and relatively inconsequential compared to the Black sea.

The Cuba crisis wasn't about Russian ships stopping in Cuba, it was about missiles based in Cuba.

yepyepyep...but i imagine the Soviets would've used Cuba as a base for shipping at some point. I'm aware of NATO access to the region but the Crimea becoming a NATO playground is unacceptable to Russians.
It would completely remove their control of the Black Sea and threaten the south, further eroding Russian hegemony and increasing their mistrust of the West who persistently creep closer to Moscow.
Better negotiation over the last 20 years would've avoided a great deal of bloodshed and destruction.