Supporting Ukraine

[Mottie]

If you haven't realised how by now you never will !

And if you can't explain by now, you never will.

Europe weakened by pathetic little inconsequential U.K. leaving the EU? All you cribbed about was losing free healthcare in Iceland and free university education for UK students in EU countries.

 

[IT Minion]

Roads are very quick with a few bulldozers...

As for bridges...

100m in 30 minutes...

Then just add another length if required...

Simples

Destroying bridges still slows things down.

Even if you own enough M3 equivalents then you need to move them there, probably past lines of tanks also heading the same way but stuck waiting for a bridge, hope they don't get blown up or broken and then hope you don't need them for another river.

It's also a single point of failure and an artillery and airstrike magnet. Bridges are important.

Roads capable of surviving tanks are also not trivial. Tanks can manage very challenging terrain, but if you want their fuel bowsers to be there to fill them up you need a proper metalled road. Otherwise you're going to end up with your supply line bogged down and your advance stalled.

But maybe you know best and all this logistics stuff is easy. After all the Russian army didn't get massively slowed down due to logistics.

 

[wobs]

Korea, although that was at best a draw for the UN Vs China.

You were probably thinking of WW2, but you'd be wrong. The German army cycled through 13.9 Million soldiers, Russia used 34 million and the US 16 million.

WWII saw the Allies fighting a large army. 13.9million troops is a large army by any metric.
The point is that the allied effort succeeded against a large army. Of course the Soviet army was bigger.

Korea was pretty much a draw, yes.

The point was that Allied troops have a history of taking on a large single country army.

 

[diy_fun_uk]

I wonder what the economic implications would be for China if the west stopped buying their goods. I'm not posing that question sarcastically, I genuinely wonder. And of course, what the consequences would be for the west.

 

[Deleted member 174758]

The only things that come out of Russia are

Gas/oil
Lies
Soldiers
Kaspersky antivirus software

I don't think they contribute much else.

You missed genocide, oligarcs, novochok, dirty money and the manipulation of democratic elections.

 

[IT Minion]

WWII saw the Allies fighting a large army. 13.9million troops is a large army by any metric.
The point is that the allied effort succeeded against a large army. Of course the Soviet army was bigger.

Korea was pretty much a draw, yes.

The point was that Allied troops have a history of taking on a large single country army.

...with even larger forces. Let's not derail yet another thread into amateur WW2 historical analysis (he says whilst derailing it himself), but Germany was outnumbered by the Allies. Even when you throw in Italy and Japan.

 

[Deleted member 174758]

The original question was about supporting Ukraine

 

[JohnD]

I wonder what the economic implications would be for China if the west stopped buying their goods. I'm not posing that question sarcastically, I genuinely wonder. And of course, what the consequences would be for the west.

China is increasingly prosperous and its (shrinking) population is buying more of the products it makes.

It already has vast amounts of foreign reserves, and is busy loan-sharking in developing countries.

 

[fillyboy]

China is increasingly prosperous and its (shrinking) population is buying more of the products it makes.

It already has vast amounts of foreign reserves, and is busy loan-sharking in developing countries.

Huge amount of debt as well, 250% of gdp.

 

[JohnD]

Huge amount of debt as well, 250% of gdp.

like UK in 1945.

 

[IT Minion]

If we want to help Ukraine we should be shipping plastic explosives, triggers, detonators and instructions for IEDs. Anti-air and anti tank rockets, thermal sights and an instructor cadre from Afghanistan.

 

[Deleted member 292770]

like UK in 1945.

 

[^woody^]

like UK in 1945.

The cost in money and blood of saving Europe.

 

[Deleted member 18243]

Things are looking pretty bad.

Putin has just basically said, get all US nuclear weapons out of Europe, or else.
It's a lose-lose situation for Europe, and yes, that does include the UK!

You are a right doom-monger; you were the same with covid!

I wonder what the economic implications would be for China if the west stopped buying their goods.

I've already stopped buying Chinese goods.

 

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If we want to help Ukraine we should be shipping plastic explosives, triggers, detonators and instructions for IEDs. Anti-air and anti tank rockets, thermal sights and an instructor cadre from Afghanistan.

dare say it’s already in hand

Western special forces are probably already on the ground in Ukraine uniforms