Supporting Ukraine
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You seem to have problems coping with reality.
I merely pointed that economic sanctions as a tool for regime change generally don't work.
The proof of that is in the fact that the Americans are now offering to lift economic sanctions on one dictator in order to impose them on another dictator.
https://www.ft.com/venezuela
As far as i know they are eager to get Iranian oil flowing again as well.
I asked Notch7 in a previous post to give some examples of economic sanctions achieving the desired effect of removing a dictator from power.
He ducked the question.
As far as i know the mad mullahs are still in charge in Iran, fat boy Kim in N. Korea is still playing with rockets and Maduro is still running the show in Venezuela.
Now the Americans have decided go one better and sanction the Russians even though experience shows that it may not get rid of Putin.
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please give some examples of nations invaded by the Soviet or Russian Empires with overwhelming force and brutality
that have not sought to escape as soon as the opportunity arose.
As is Putin's Russian Empire
The difference is that Putin's Russian Empire has attacked and invaded Ukraine with overwhelming force and brutality.
And is busy shelling, bombing and shooting Ukrainians.
With your sympathy.
Difference with Iran and North Korea is that those people don't know any different. That's not to justify the way those people are treated or to suggest they are any less deserving but the Russian people have become used to a better way of life. Work, earn, have nice things, enjoy the successes of a Nation, freedom to travel. All that is now down the drain and if there are any Russian people that don't yet know it, they will soon.
If not for the threat of nukes, Russia are very beatable militarily. NATO would trounce them with the the issues of nukes in the way.
We've seen their lack of logistics ability, which is in part due to corruption but also over reliance on rail network. Their kit is ancient, and we seen a lack of organisation.
Can Ukraine beat them? No idea, and I doubt anyone else knows for sure.
Edit: Oh, and Russia needs to pay for this little excursion all the while, the Ruble plummets.
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There have never been NATO troops on his borders
To clarify, I wasn't really talking about winning - nobody will win. A better way of putting it is to say Ukraine can't match Russian military resources. I agree Russian tactics have been extremely poor up to now and Ukraine have shown much better tactics with limited resources. Many military commentators are saying that, if anything, Russia has shown the World how poor it is, militarily.
Hitler throught the same.
While the dollars roll in.
700 million per day i believe.
Sorry to burst your bubble of self delusuon.
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That isn't true.
I didn’t duck it I didn’t see it.
the massive sanctions will weaken Putin a great deal and make him unpopular.
and Ukraine is getting lots of support - with military aid.
Why are you so supportive of Putin - you seem to be his useful idiot.
America sent a delegation to Venezuela at the weekend to begin preliminary discussions with Maduro for their oil. And try to pull the regime away from Moscow. Good luck with that.
I wish they'd stop trying to find a way to drag Europe into the conflict. I watched an interview with Vindman, Trumps NSC advisor, last night and he persisted in the attempt to send aircraft to Poland, have them enforce a no-fly zone over Russia and insist Poland can do this as a sovereign nation; conveniently forgetting they're also a member of the EU.
Russia would almost certainly sanction gas supplies to Europe and say they were right all along about NATO aggression.
Another American (military) analyst gave an interesting take on the Russian convoy, north of Ukraine, in an interview with the New Yorker, where he thought they'd simply surround Kiev and bite a chunk off Southern Ukraine; then sue for an armistice on their terms.
The latest strategic maps certainly seem to indicate such a move is possible, although it's very difficult to predict such an outcome at this stage.
On a personal angle, it intrigued me as i used this strategy to great effect when playing Civilisation V - 'The Hammer and the Anvil': where you use one wing of your armies to hold the enemy in a defensive battle of attrition, then swing round with armoured forces to crush him between your army groups.
It sounds easy, sitting here, drinking coffee, munching toast, listening to the radio...but in the world of Realpolitick there's no simple solution to this violence.
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