IOM TT

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TT races 5 fatalities so far this year

TT is afaik the oldest motor sport race series in the world , started in 1907 ?

think there has only been one year where no one has lost there life ( 1980 some thing)

 

[ajohn]

Just likeF1 I think racing need a pilots license. This from quora discussion
https://www.quora.com/profile/Chris-Keane-12
Isle of Man TT Management System Author (2011–present)Author has 52 answers and 84.6K answer views4y
Here are some specific steps:

1. Learn to ride a motorcycle. Get really good at it.
2. Find a local organization that runs motorcycle track days at a racetrack somewhere near you. Sign up for track days and continue to refine your skills until you’re comfortably mid-pack in the track day org’s advanced rider group.
3. Find a local amateur race organization. Find out from them how to get a license to become a racer (in the US you’ll often pass a riding and written test and be thereby licensed as a “Novice Racer”)
4. Race as a Novice for one or more years and graduate to an Expert Racer license. Race for a few years as an Expert and get some race wins on your record
5. Check with your national sanctioning body (the AMA in the US, the ACU in the UK, MCUI in Ireland, etc) to find out if you need anything else for them to provide you with a national (ACU) or international (AMA, etc) race license, and fulfill those requirements
6. Apply to race in one of the Newcomers races at the Manx Grand Prix / Festival of Motorcycling (note, not the TT)
7. Race at the Manx Grand Prix for a few years until the organizers recognize your name and you’re familiar with the TT Mountain Course as a racer
8. Submit your entry for the TT. Be prepared to be declined for a few years, but keep racing at the Manx Grand Prix to build up your profile

The better you do at the Manx Grid Prix the more likely it is that your TT entry will be accepted — often the top Newcomers at the MGP are accepted to the TT in the very next year, but be patient and persistent if you’re not at the very top.

Unlike F1 etc it's more difficult to protect the rider. There is a wiki on racing deaths on bikes. On circuits the TT is worst but not unique.

Rider deaths in motorcycle racing - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I have a bit of a people know the risks attitude in areas like this - providing they do know what they are doing or should do. Sufficient precautions really,

 

[Deleted member 292770]

Day after the fair. it ended yesterday.

 

[Deleted member 292770]

Is this the bit where people who never rode a motorcycle , live on the island , or have ever been there start preaching how wrong it is in 2022 that so many people die and how inconvenient it all is for the inhabitants etc etc .

 

[Burnerman]

Even if you have no interest in motorbikes, the Island TT is the most thrilling thing to see.
It’s sad that competitors die of course but no one makes them race - its what they live for and even after a crash they get back on as quick as they can.
The atmosphere on the Island is amazing, the locals love it and the economy booms.
I’m back for the GP next year.
John

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

think there has only been one year where no one has lost there life ( 1980 some thing)

1982. Trouble is, as time has gone on since 1907, the racing speeds have got faster and faster. Time to call an end to it now I think, it is becoming too expensive in lives.

 

[Burnerman]

I don’t think that will happen, but the sidecars seem to be particularly unsafe.
RIP Ian Bell, a Yamaha dealer near me and a great all round guy. Died in June 2016.
John

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

It’s sad that competitors die of course but no one makes them race - its what they live for and even after a crash they get back on as quick as they can.

Sometimes people have to be protected from themselves.

 

[ajohn]

Sometimes people have to be protected from themselves.

• 21,000 motorbike accidents occur in the UK each year.
• In 2020, there was a 30% drop in fatal motorbike accidents.
• 47% of all accidents in the country take place in London.
• Motorcyclists are 62 times more likely to be involved in a fatal accident.
• 80% of accidents involving motorbikes are caused by negligence.
• Those aged between 25 and 59 are most likely to be killed or seriously injured.
• Friday is the most dangerous day for accidents.
• 92% of all motorbike crash victims are men.

The drop is thought to be covid related. As I have ridden one I could comment on negligence. There is an extremely good reason foe the think bike adverts as push bike riders are finding.

How many deaths a year from motorcycles?
In 2019, 5,014 motorcyclists died in motorcycle crashes, down slightly from 5,038 in 2018, according to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA). In 2019, motorcyclists were nearly 29 times more likely than passenger car occupants to die in a crash per vehicle miles travelled.

The IOM pales compared with that.

If someone said born again bikers can be a problem I would suggest that needs to be handled in cases where some one rode a bike early in life, kept it active on their license and later in life decides to ride one again.

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

Even if you have no interest in motorbikes, the Island TT is the most thrilling thing to see.

I was brought up with and amongst bikes, as well as having a quite few, but I would not enjoy watching anyone die to provide others with thrills. Yes, I have seen a motorcyclist die. I arrived on the scene soon after it had happened, on the narrow windy bit near Whitby, from Scarborough. He taken a bend too fast and just around the bend was a tractor, towing a large farm implement. He ended up dying atop dry stone wall, minus a leg and bleeding to death.

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

80% of accidents involving motorbikes are caused by negligence. ---- There is an extremely good reason foe the think bike adverts as push bike riders are finding.

It's not always negligence, often it is deliberate action by car drivers. I've seen the fact that I have been noticed filtering and had doors opened deliberately.

How many deaths a year from motorcycles?
In 2019, 5,014 motorcyclists died in motorcycle crashes, down slightly from 5,038 in 2018, according to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA). In 2019, motorcyclists were nearly 29 times more likely than passenger car occupants to die in a crash per vehicle miles travelled.

Common sense really, on a bike you have very little protection - nothing more than a crash hat and armour. It makes one feel very vulnerable, did me at least, maybe why I have never had a claim, or accident in 60 years. I'm not often driven, but when I am I feel much safer being driven by someone who has had time on two wheels.

 

[Burnerman]

No one wants to see anyone die, but you can’t prevent extreme activities such as mountaineering, sky diving, cave explorers, paragliding or whatever.
John

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

No one wants to see anyone die, but you can’t prevent extreme activities such as mountaineering, sky diving, cave explorers, paragliding or whatever.
John

None of which have the spectator draw of the TT. The main draw of which is people going to see the near misses and accidents. You yourself mentioned 'thrills' and no doubt meant thrills and spills.

 

[lostinthelight]

A friend of ours was killed in his first race there on his 40th birthday in the 1980’s

 

[Burnerman]

None of which have the spectator draw of the TT. The main draw of which is people going to see the near misses and accidents. You yourself mentioned 'thrills' and no doubt meant thrills and spills.

Not a bit of it......thrills, yes, spills, no. Maybe you could say the same about the boring spectacle that is F1.
Have you ever been to the Island, Harry?
John