N. I. Protocol

[Odds]

Not a fan of this bloke but in this case, his analysis is correct.

Former US National Security Advisor urges Biden administration to side with UK over Northern Ireland Protocol

A former US national security advisor has said America’s interests lies in siding with the United Kingdom in the Northern Ireland Protocol debate.

www.newsletter.co.uk

John Bolton isn't really the best source of independent analysis, is he?
And the Americans must be secretly delighted the UK left the EU and their plan to use Russian gas fall apart. The last thing America wants is for Europe and Russia to form closer economic ties as it lessens Europe's reliance on America.

And have you forgotten how the Tory government under Cameron rolled out the red carpet for the Chinese leader?
America got real nervous about that.
Don't underestimate how far America will go to protect its interests in Europe.

 

[Notch7]

UK trade with the EU is now higher than it was before Brexit.
The Protocol isn't necessary.

The protocol is necessary because NI is in the SM and GB is not.

please tell me what you don’t understand, I will try and explain It so you understand

 

[Notch7]

And to the UK itself, the EU would delight in breaking that up, as would Notch, Nosy et al, I find it extraordinary.

You voted for Johnson and his deal that put a border inside the UK.

let’s be quite clear: you are a f*****g hypocrite who behaves like a child by not accepting responsibility for your actions.

FFS grow up, you voted for this sh1t, you are acting like a 12 year old

 

[Vinty]

The protocol is necessary because NI is in the SM and GB is not.

please tell me what you don’t understand, I will try and explain It so you understand

The protocol is now causing the problems it was allegedly designed to prevent.
Then again the Protocol was never really intended to 'protect the GFA', it more about punishing the UK for voting to leave the EU.
There is no government in N.I. because of the protocol and things will get even worse.

 

[Notch7]

The protocol is now causing the problems it was allegedly designed to prevent

that is untrue

the protocol was not designed to avoid trade barriers

Then again the Protocol was never really intended to 'protect the GFA', it more about punishing the UK for voting to leave the EU.

demonstrably untrue

tell me how it does not protect the GFA

There is no government in N.I. because of the protocol and things will get even worse.

People democratically voted for brexit
people democratically voted for Boris Johnson and his brexit deal

the protocol and the border is the will of the people



why are the DUP refusing to implement the will of the people

 

[Odds]

The protocol is now causing the problems it was allegedly designed to prevent.
Then again the Protocol was never really intended to 'protect the GFA', it more about punishing the UK for voting to leave the EU.
There is no government in N.I. because of the protocol and things will get even worse.

The UK was warned it would face consequences for leaving the EU and being reminded it had no special status within the bloc is one of them.
So, yes, it's about punishing the UK for the lies and deception used by those advocates for leaving the EU.
There's no working legislature in NI because the DUP won't work with the Fenians, whatever the reason they always find an excuse.
And isn't this protocol an updated version of the backstop?

 

[Vinty]

There's no working legislature in NI because the DUP won't work with the Fenians, whatever the reason they always find an excuse

The DUP have been working with the Fenians for years.
You should remember the it was the Sinn 'Fenians' who collapsed the legislature for 3 years until the government agreed to introduce an Irish language act.

 

[Vinty]

why are the DUP refusing to implement the will of the people

The DUP are implementing the will of the people, the Unionist people that is.
Go read the BA/GFA.

 

[Notch7]

The DUP are implementing the will of the people, the Unionist people that is.
Go read the BA/GFA.

Demonstrably untrue.

the great British public voted the Conservative govt into power along with the Protocol.

NI is part of the UK

the will of the people states the protocol must be implemented in full.


If you want NI to act differently, I presume you want NI independence.

 

[Odds]

Demonstrably untrue.

the great British public voted the Conservative govt into power along with the Protocol.

NI is part of the UK

the will of the people states the protocol must be implemented in full.


If you want NI to act differently, I presume you want NI independence.

I thought NI voted to remain in the EU?
And Sinn Fein certainly want independenceAs do the Scots, with their renewed efforts for another referendum.
And 51% is hardly 'the will of the people', is it? It's a squeaky slim majority, at best.

 

[Notch7]

I thought NI voted to remain in the EU?

Vinty only considers the "will of some of the people"

 

[Notch7]

And 51% is hardly 'the will of the people', is it? It's a squeaky slim majority, at best

Yeah but under the rules its still the will of the people
and they voted for Buffoons protocol

never mind Im sure the UK will win a trade war with the EU

 

[Odds]

Vinty only considers the "will of some of the people"

Ah yes, but as the late, great, Marley sang "you can fool some people sometimes, but you can't fool all the people all the time." A wise man.

 

[Vinty]

the will of the people states the protocol must be implemented in full

The BA/GFA says otherwise.
The Protocol requires consent from both communities.
Anything other violates the Belfast agreement.
Please note the DUP had no input into the creation of the Belfast agreement.
They are the only clean pair of hands in this whole debacle.

Strand 1
Belfast agreement..

Quote...
Paragraph 5 (Strand 1) covers ‘Safeguards’ on the operation of the devolved
institutions to “to ensure that all sections of the community can participate and
work together successfully in the operation of these institutions and that all
sections of the community are protected”. This inter alia provides for (emphasis
added):
(d) arrangements to ensure key decisions are taken on a cross-
community basis:
(i) either parallel consent, i.e. a majority of those members present
and voting, including a majority of the unionist and nationalist
designations present and voting;
(ii) or a weighted majority (60%) of members present and voting,
including at least 40% of each of the nationalist and unionist
designations present and voting.

 

[Odds]

The BA/GFA says otherwise.
The Protocol requires consent from both communities.
Anything other violates the Belfast agreement.
Please note the DUP had no input into the creation of the Belfast agreement.
They are the only clean pair of hands in this whole debacle.

Strand 1
Belfast agreement..

Quote...
Paragraph 5 (Strand 1) covers ‘Safeguards’ on the operation of the devolved
institutions to “to ensure that all sections of the community can participate and
work together successfully in the operation of these institutions and that all
sections of the community are protected”. This inter alia provides for (emphasis
added):
(d) arrangements to ensure key decisions are taken on a cross-
community basis:
(i) either parallel consent, i.e. a majority of those members present
and voting, including a majority of the unionist and nationalist
designations present and voting;
(ii) or a weighted majority (60%) of members present and voting,
including at least 40% of each of the nationalist and unionist
designations present and voting.

If the DUP didn't play a role in the creation of the Belfast Agreement it doesn't mean they can conveniently ignore it when it suits them.
Although i do sympathise with them to an extent. They really got the short end of the stick when the Brexit merry-go-round stopped in the Irish Sea. They chose to believe a mendacious politician, however, because it suited them, so my sympathy is tempered with a certain amount of schadenfreude.