So come on, pick Boris's successor.

Down to Sunak or Truss.
Truss is the favourite with the Bookies.
Sunak is a known quantity, he handed out loads of cash with the furlough scheme.
Liz Truss despite her Thatcher tribute act, seems to have a bit of grasshopper mind, in that she seems to jump from one position to another, she started off as an ardent remainer and is now a born again Brexiteer.
Maybe she went to the Groucho Marx school of ethics.
He once said "If you dont like my principles, don't worry, i have others".
 
Part of Sunak's problem is inflation linked debt interest on some of the debt. He needs to cover it. The other one is that the self employed tax returns this year were low. Inflation is usually like a ratchet. Prices increase but don't fall but the rate falls eventually when things steady, That will reduce the payments at some point. :( They expect that to happen next year. It seems we have more inflation to come - increasing. It's currently about 9.4% expected to get to 11. Rates are higher on basics. Who ever gets his job will have the same problems.

It seems there is a bit of a surplus. £Billions and more forecast £Billions eventually. These sound like a lot of money but as total expenditure is more like £1 trillion % wise they are not a lot at all. A trillion is 1,000 billions. :) That fact will make the sums easier to do. The general news wont be telling you this. C4 had a bit of a go. BBC might too.

So Truss says she will ignore the Treasury. Pay debt of more slowly. Ok the interest payments are £Billion but still a pretty low %. She did say something will have to be done about those below poverty lines. Doesn't sound like she can really do all of what she is saying. Do they ever care about that? Some significant time down the line she may be able to do more. Sunak has always intended to do more eventually.

Sunak. Rebate on council tax - done and dusted this year. TBH I think this method was a pleaser and should really have been income targeted but that's politics and probably trickier to do. Sunak has been honest a couple of times - heating costs for instance - outside his scope of control. All he can do is help. That needs tax. He may also have needed the NI increase for the NHS to reduce the amount taken from general taxation which usually covers the majority of the cost. On the other hand the NI take may not be covering what it usually does any more.

It seems that the average age of a Tory party member is on the old side of things so both applicants are using different Thatcher mantras. Book balancing one and low taxes the other. They blame Labour for the banking crisis. It messed the books up. Covid messed the books up too, clearly a Tory problem. There is more political bullshit in this area of politics than any other.

Transport fuel. Another mess up. The Arabs have pointed out that ok they can ship more crude but what about refining it? Where it can be refined depends on grade. USA has greening related taxes etc so more refining not seen as viable. China accused of using it as a weapon as they don't export much. Typical USA comment. India is keeping theirs' for themselves. Russia currently turned off. Curiously oil analysts see this turn off as temporary. I assume ??? this is when Russia is on it's knees and Biden's next phase embargo can be implemented. They can sell oil but only at a price the west decides. He thinks this will also bring oil prices down. The Arabs will love that or will they. Russia is also a member of OPEC+. These have forced prices up in the past. Only route to Russia selling again that I can think of other than what they are currently doing but talk of withholding insurance. This would increase shortages.
 
Completely agree.

I suspect Truss might win, which is a gift to Labour.

Truss would probably lead to an early election
There’s only two left. You’d prefer Rishi , being less of a ‘gift’ to Labour. Why?
 
She could be our next PM.
Although she has already said she made a mistake about Brexit. Funny how people keep making "mistakes".

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There’s only two left. You’d prefer Rishi , being less of a ‘gift’ to Labour. Why?
Because Richy Rish! isn't insane.
Another good reason is he's not influenced by Peter Minford, a Brexit fanatic who believed the UK would be better off by 6% in GDP and would dearly love to see the UK run as a free market paradise for low regulation corporate playground for the tax dodging fat cats and their fuzzy friends, like Rees-Moggy.
 
Because Richy Rish! isn't insane.
Another good reason is he's not influenced by Peter Minford, a Brexit fanatic who believed the UK would be better off by 6% in GDP and would dearly love to see the UK run as a free market paradise for low regulation corporate playground for the tax dodging fat cats and their fuzzy friends, like Rees-Moggy.
I'd say Richi is being more honest. Truss is very like announcements about our Covid testing abilities. Sounds like we had them but were actually a fair old time away from achieving them. This is why Richi is saying Truss can only do what she is saying via borrowing. He is fully aware of the tax take and where it is going. He has another problem as well. Forecast surpluses in the future. Plans can be made but scope has to be left for error.

The rest of what you added - no different to apparent aims under Boris and likely to be similar from both applicants. This is the way forward as they see it. Problem as I see it - always the same aims and mantra. What has it achieved?

The debt isn't going to go away who ever gets the job. Austerity as per banking crisis response isn't on due to inflation. Actually Cameron's comments on interest payments during his time really were a drop in the ocean. He also wanted people to drop below the state net - charities are the answer.

Sunak is making a very poor job of explaining the problems - too technical for the general public. LOL I'm reminded of Corbyn. It seems that the general public are too thick to understand or maybe it would be bad for votes if they really spelled it all out.
 
Sunak is making a very poor job of explaining the problems - too technical for the general public. LOL I'm reminded of Corbyn. It seems that the general public are too thick to understand or maybe it would be bad for votes if they really spelled it all out.

Currently Sunak and the idiot Truss are not campaigning at, or for, the nation or the citizens as a whole.

They are just trying to win the favour of the rather small, mostly old, mostly thatcherites or further loony right wingers, paid-up backwoodsmen membership of the Conversative party.

Nothing else counts.

Remember, these are the people who chose Johnson, after the Con MPs selected him as the winning candidate.

If Truss has eighty thousand supporters among Tory members, she will be your next leader.
 
Currently Sunak and the idiot Truss are not campaigning at, or for, the nation or the citizens as a whole.
It seems that the average age of a Tory party member is on the old side of things so both applicants are using different Thatcher mantras. Book balancing one and low taxes the other. They blame Labour for the banking crisis. It messed the books up. Covid messed the books up too, clearly a Tory problem. There is more political bullshit in this area of politics than any other.
 
Currently Sunak and the idiot Truss are not campaigning at, or for, the nation or the citizens as a whole.

They are just trying to win the favour of the rather small, mostly old, mostly thatcherites or further loony right wingers, paid-up backwoodsmen membership of the Conversative party.

Nothing else counts.

Remember, these are the people who chose Johnson, after the Con MPs selected him as the winning candidate.

If Truss has eighty thousand supporters among Tory members, she will be your next leader.

Sunak and Truss are obviously campaigning at the party membership, that's who's voting, why would they aim their campaign at anyone else? as for Boris, sure, he was voted in on a similar basis, but went on to secure an 80 seat majority in the house.

mostly old, mostly thatcherites or further loony right wingers, paid-up backwoodsmen

F*****g LOL, and the best opposition you can come up with is Steptoe and Son.
 
Sunak and Truss are obviously campaigning at the party membership, that's who's voting, why would they aim their campaign at anyone else? as for Boris, sure, he was voted in on a similar basis, but went on to secure an 80 seat majority in the house.
I quoted what I posted to cover that. Maybe JohnD missed that as he quoted a comment I made concerning the TV debate. I didn't see the ITV one so wonder why 2 decided to withdraw from a 3rd. Then there is another between these 2 on Monday. I suspect this will be in the BBC's makes good telly format as these sort of things usually are.

F*****g LOL, and the best opposition you can come up with is Steptoe and Son.
i have heard some brief details of what they see as possible cures for the ills of the country both past and present.

LOL Some of the comments on here about people who want more pay and yet more for changes in their contract of employment amuse me. I wonder what they would do following many years of sub inflation pay rises. Actually in some work areas that has been going on for a very long time via the minimum wage and even at levels that pay over that. The so called gig economy has additional effects. That area is very good for the fat cats. Why not have nurses, doctors and train drivers etc work the same way. A bit like telling the self employed they can only work so much time in a week and can't change their rates. Their rates are causing more and more people to head in that direction. I wonder what that will do over time?

Of interest to me and maybe no one else. Labour were going to help this company get a loan for capex. They are a rather capable lot but at times need to keep up. There was no doubt what so ever that it would be repaid. That loosely related to what goes on with the privatised anyway. Tory squashed the idea as soon as they got in. Look what has happened instead. May need to click to 2021
Does that mean they will worry about being able to make their war toys or what the company could achieve in a world market?

:) I feel like going on a bit about giga factories but wont other than one may turn into another delorean fiasco. The other - they want some manufacturer to build one here. They don't seem to be having much luck. I wonder why? Other countries are building more - I wonder why they have capex put in and we don't?
 
oh dear its not looking good for the Tories, at this rate they wont have a majority:

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There’s only two left. You’d prefer Rishi , being less of a ‘gift’ to Labour. Why?
not much in it TBH both are sh1t

but Truss especially is a stupid brexer pandering to the right with her idiotic brexit postering

watch how she caves in over the Northern Ireland Protocol
 
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