Liz Truss Said

[Justin Passing]

Well, the average per selected companies above is £62344.

But we'd need more information to work out the average per driver (number of drivers per franchise), so the average per driver could be more or less than the £62344 above.

Train drivers often opt to do overtime and earn very well from it.
Most office employees are expected to do overtime, it's not an option. And there's usually no question of getting paid for it. Work extra for nothing, or else.

 

[Notch7]

And nurses have been getting 1% pay rises for practically that entire time, so in real terms their salaries are now massively lower than they were in 2010. And people wonder why British people don't want to spend three years at University and rack up a whole load of debt to become a nurse.

I think the reason Nurses require 3 years at university is due to the backdoor privatisation of Universities

Its crazy we dont give full grants to nurses and doctors, but we dont we just recruit from abroad allowing other countries fund the training.

 

[Notch7]

Train drivers often opt to do overtime and earn very well from it.
Most office employees are expected to do overtime, it's not an option. And there's usually no question of getting paid for it. Work extra for nothing, or else.

not really comparable

you are comparing a managerial position paid a salary, with a wage.

 

[Notch7]

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Average Train Driver Salaries Per Year
	2020	2022
	Great Western Railway	£56,773	£60,620
	Southeastern Railway	£53,620	£57,030
	London Underground	£55,711	£59,732
	Arriva Group	£60,945	£66,677
	London Midland	£54,040	£55,854
	Virgin Trains	£66,231	£74,151

I get rather lower rates from Reed recruitment

"The average train driver salary in the UK is £48,500 per year"

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[motorbiking]

Its actuals vs grades. If you look at actual drivers my table is correct, if you look at the starting salary and take an average, you may get lower. I believe like most professions the distribution is diamond shaped.

 

[Justin Passing]

Train drivers are paid the salary because of collective bargaining. In a supply and demand model a job pays the amount necessary to get the right skill and experience. if we paid people according to the criticality of the work - Social media consultants would be on minimum wage and nurses in the 50% tax bracket.

There was a bit more to it in Thatchers days. I remember hearing then, and since, trying to work out a number for the £ cost in the community. More or less impossible.
Same applied to steel. It was cheaper to buy stainless steel teaspoons from China than process scrap

 

[wellyfish]

I think the reason Nurses require 3 years at university is due to the backdoor privatisation of Universities

Its crazy we dont give full grants to nurses and doctors, but we dont we just recruit from abroad allowing other countries fund the training.

There's no reason not to pay them to train rather than charge them to do it.

The most obvious way to get hold of more doctors and nurses, without the cultural imperialism of stealing them from elsewhere or waiting years for them to be trained, is to tax them out of the private sector.

 

[Justin Passing]

not really comparable

you are comparing a managerial position paid a salary, with a wage.

No, ordinary office oiks are expected to do free overtime wherever I've seen them. Ask a teacher about that.

 

[RonnyRaygun]

No, ordinary office oiks are expected to do free overtime wherever I've seen them. Ask a teacher about that.

What's an ordinary office oik? If I have a deadline I have to work late and my pay slip still reads exactly the same at the end of the month. Same for most of my friends in office jobs.

 

[Justin Passing]

What's an ordinary office oik? If I have a deadline I have to work late and my pay slip still reads exactly the same at the end of the month. Same for most of my friends in office jobs.

Sounds like you're an ordinary office oik then!

No need to be a manager, which someone claimed.

 

[wellyfish]

What's an ordinary office oik? If I have a deadline I have to work late and my pay slip still reads exactly the same at the end of the month. Same for most of my friends in office jobs.

These 'discussions' about who earns what for doing whatever is classic 'Set the workers against each other and watch them fight' stuff.

 

[RonnyRaygun]

Sounds like you're an ordinary office oik then!

No need to be a manager, which someone claimed.

Oh yeah, I read your post wrong - missed the comma after, "No"...

 

[ajohn]

The average train driver salary in the UK is £48,500 per year"

The figure I heard was close to that, £45k basic.. Traditional overtime rates are times 1 1/4 in the week, 1 1/2 on sat and 2 on Sunday.

One of the gov's claims is high use of trains on Sunday every one wants to go out then these days etc. LOL Not that they interfere with negotiations.

Weekends and Bank Holidays are Off-Peak all day. Please use the Journey Planner to choose your desired time of travel and click 'check ticket availability and prices' to display the complete range of fares available for your journey.

I've never looked to see what that means on number of services per day but I would assume there is less passengers available.

Why the high levels of pay compared with some other areas. They still need to learn to drive and park and if they do the wrong thing it can result in deaths,

Shift work can also have an effect on rates. Nurses work on a rotating one with 12hr shifts, In some areas people always work the same shift maybe with an 8hr shift.

Overtime from a business perspective varies in terms of wanting none or some degree off it.

 

[Odds]

It was purely political, as you say Thatcher vowed to show the workers who was boss.

The inflationary cycle of the 70's was largely due to the oil crises in that decade, very little to do with miners wages.

Wilson wasn't the PM responsible for the IMF debacle, Callaghan was PM at the time.

The govt at the time was beginning to be gripped by the monetarists groupthink - Peter Jay, Callaghan's son-in-law and speech writer was fully signed up to it.

Why they went to the IMF cannot be understood in any rational way, it's almost as though they didn't know they had control of their own currency.

Govt never used the loan and Thatcher paid it all back on her first day in office.

So Wilson had resigned by then? My memory ain't wot it used t'be.
All things considered it's no surprise Thatcher and Reagan were such good buddies. Both stepped on Unions on their way to power and unleashed the Corporations on the world.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

These 'discussions' about who earns what for doing whatever is classic 'Set the workers against each other and watch them fight' stuff.

As always. Lets look at a headline figure without all the details that go with it and turn people as you say .