£7k a month benefits?!?

You missed out how the Catholic churches ideas on contraception might have been a mitigating factor on birth rates.
 
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You missed out how the Catholic churches ideas on contraception might have been a mitigating factor on birth rates.
I do have some personal info on that as a number of my school and early on friends were Irish and Catholic. Marriage and a move caused me to loose touch with them.

One day we were all at one of their parents houses and the Father decided to visit. Several friends were there and he said not seen them at church recently. Reply from them who he knew by name Yes Father sorry ect. Bloke must have a pretty good memory. After he left mom popped in looking worried and rather disturbed. What he had said to the parents was that it seemed to be a long time since they had a baby. This was in the 60's. They never did have another baby. I was still around for some time. I doubt if they could really afford one. Council house and both working. Kids and well bought up. G stream material in a comprehensive. The 11 plus had still been around but no grammar school places.
 
In which case, treat the handouts like student loans and require them to be paid back once the beneficiary starts earning and contributing.

Would that not persuade them there was even more reason to spend the rest of their lives not earning?
 
Sister in law married a Catholic, took her back a bit when 'father' arrived unannounced and within minutes found herself on her knees in prayer.
 
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Would that not persuade them there was even more reason to spend the rest of their lives not earning?
If the russians are to be fought, those kids won't need persuasion to go to the front, they will be conscripted. Imagine that, their contribution to the country is 7x of yours.
 
If the russians are to be fought, those kids won't need persuasion to go to the front, they will be conscripted. Imagine that, their contribution to the country is 7x of yours.

If and if the 'if' doesn't happen?

Then my contributions over my working life will be frittered away keeping them in the lifestyle they have become accustomed to.
 
You are making an assumption that they will be paying any tax at all.
Of course they will pay tax. 20% vat on everything they consume. Their fate will resemble the general population in a bell curve. 1 will do extremely well, one will do extremely poorly, and the rest go from OK to very good.
 
We could make people pay tax according to their earnings. Very good idea. Has it been thought of before?
We clearly haven't been paying enough for a long time. I was amazed by the number of taxation rate salary levels the USA use, Might be an idea better than upping the allowance for all. Sense is needed rather than crowd pleasers. I see this as one of the interesting aspect of the budget Sunak will announce shortly. ;) it may well indicate he is one of "them". Might explain some of his appointments too,

It puts parties that want to do something about some civic areas a bit of a problem - getting elected and increasing taxation. Forget the few millions who live in various poverty levels more millions will vote for another party. These few millions are going to grow in number.

Depress wages to a level where the tax take is used to prop people up. Throw in child care if some one qualifies for working tax credits. 16hr work a week. Include these in employment figures. No child care during school holidays. Child age seems to be 3 to 4. Explanation not clear. Make noises that these 16hr workers need to do more hours.

;( TBH I think we are stuck in a loop and only a radical change can do anything about it. That includes attitudes.

:) Labour do have a couple of ideas on increasing the tax take that will only have an effect on people who can afford certain things. When Sunak was asked what his windfall tax had raised - no reply. A Tory pointed out it wouldn't be much. Sunak said he increased taxation on oil companies. True but many counties appear to do that. LOL Who pays that in the end.

Interesting
Total rail industry income in 2020-21 was £20.7 billion, a 2.4% increase from 2019-20. This consisted of £16.9 billion from government funding, £2.5 billion from passengers (£1.8 billion of fares and £0.6 billion of other train operator income), and £1.3 billion from other sources.30 Nov 2021

From the gov.
 
Vats not got a mention so it must be doing its job in going under the radar.
20% nice earner.
 
Of course they will pay tax. 20% vat on everything they consume. Their fate will resemble the general population in a bell curve. 1 will do extremely well, one will do extremely poorly, and the rest go from OK to very good.

So the state pays them Universal Credit, or what ever, and they then pay the state 20% of the cash back as VAT. How is that them paying tax?
 
So the state pays them Universal Credit, or what ever, and they then pay the state 20% of the cash back as VAT. How is that them paying tax?
You know they will be unemployed? How? One of them could turn out to be a tycoon and bring in lots of taxes, not to mention he could provide employment for a large number of people.
 
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