Check out your beloved ONS...
They are now recording deaths as 'involving Covid' as well as deaths from Covid as the 'underlying cause'...
Does 'involving' not equate to 'with', but just using different terminology?
The game is up...
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They are now recording deaths as 'involving Covid' as well as deaths from Covid as the 'underlying cause'...
Does 'involving' not equate to 'with', but just using different terminology?
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Do you know anyone that has died of Flu? Or any infectious disease for that matter?
How come you are not as obsessed about the Flu virus and it's annual booster program (for the elderly and vulnerable)?
That’s not 'reviewing' those thousand plus a day deaths from early in the pandemic. You said those figures were under review. They ain’t.
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Has the flu 'program' ever been responsible for helping to tank the economy?
If people wish to get their annual 'top up' then that's up to individual choice, but somehow those who swear by the 'virus' jabs then label those who prefer caution as 'anti vaxxers'...
Absolute bollux!
But how come you now seem willing to equate/compare the 'virus' with the flu?
Maybe you would like to see what the parliamentary health committee are now hearing?
Vaccine deaths and adverse effects
"The daily rate of vaccine deaths is now higher than Covid deaths. Death figures in the UK for the 2 main vaccines at the links below are 1227 plus 149 miscarriages, the latter figure showing a steep rise."
"The facts are that these vaccines were approved for emergency use only. There is now no emergency and they should be withdrawn, especially as clinical trials do not finish until 2023 and as we now have a safe and effective treatment in ivermectin (Hart bulletin) and other drugs and supplements. "
Edit: Maybe you'd also like to hear what the Lancet are saying
"Strengthening death registration systems around the world, long understood to be crucial to global public health strategy, is necessary for improved monitoring of this pandemic and future pandemics. In addition, further research is warranted to help distinguish the proportion of excess mortality that was directly caused by SARS-CoV-2 infection and the changes in causes of death as an indirect consequence of the pandemic."
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The figures have been published for ages, but hard to find
Must be that time of year when the anti vaxxer nutters come out to play....
here is what the parliamentary committee were actually told....
Professor Bell: Let me start by saying that all three of the original vaccines—the AstraZeneca vaccine and the two RNA vaccines—have been unbelievably effective at eliminating the really dreadful disease that caused so many deaths early on. The durability of those vaccines in preventing those problems has been impressive. I am not entirely sure that they even needed boosters. We do not have any real, clear data on that. That syndrome associated with the covid virus has now essentially disappeared, and that again is a good thing. We are still getting some deaths, but they are largely in elderly people, and they are people who often have covid infections alongside other particular medical problems.
Vaccine ended covid deaths ....end of....
Read for yourself and Ellal reposting made up bllocks from facebook is just repeating bllox...
See https://committees.parliament.uk/oralevidence/11977/pdf/
here is what the parliamentary committee were actually told....
Professor Bell: Let me start by saying that all three of the original vaccines—the AstraZeneca vaccine and the two RNA vaccines—have been unbelievably effective at eliminating the really dreadful disease that caused so many deaths early on. The durability of those vaccines in preventing those problems has been impressive. I am not entirely sure that they even needed boosters. We do not have any real, clear data on that. That syndrome associated with the covid virus has now essentially disappeared, and that again is a good thing. We are still getting some deaths, but they are largely in elderly people, and they are people who often have covid infections alongside other particular medical problems.
Vaccine ended covid deaths ....end of....
Read for yourself and Ellal reposting made up bllocks from facebook is just repeating bllox...
See https://committees.parliament.uk/oralevidence/11977/pdf/
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So no vaccinated people have died of COVID?
That is a VERY bold statement you made.
Would seem so...thats why its died with covid and not of covid...like you have the flu and die of a heart attack...the flu itself does not kill you but the pressure it places on you system caan...cough cough cough...
Read the report for yourself it's all there...
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By,with, related to, of COVID are/were recorded as COVID deaths, so in fact vaccinated people who die will still be recorded as a COVID death if they have COVID. A stupid way of doing things, but they needed to scare you somehow. Just waiting for the strep vaccine.
None of which fits in with your general comments.
I'll give you an example of one area. A friend of mine is a diabetic and has been for a long time and would continue to be until he reaches a normal old age death point. He was being treated for the condition once they found he had it. Some wont have been. Catches covid and dies as a result that is what killed him.
Your quote is asking another question. More info on tying the 2 factors up. The person and their reaction to the disease. Not just death. All they currently know is that diabetes and over weight seem to figure but not with all. Fact is people can have a number of underlying conditions and carry on living for years, The older people are the more likely they are to have them. Some young too unfortunately will have them too but a lot less of them. Any age you care to consider,
Interesting aspect so why give them. If you look at the vaccine monitoring you will see that antibody levels drop off and that some are better than others and that Omicron made all aspects worse. The boosters are given due to this and age related factors in the same area. They then look at what effect they have. If boosted people have a better trip through catching it then it is the right thing to do. If less likely age groups crop up in hospital in fewer numbers again it's the right thing to do. This area actually is the one that shows all jabs that have been used have been very beneficial. All they need do is compare levels of vaccination in the population at ages and the same when people are treated. If the jabs did nothing the same split would be seen in hospitals. They most definitely aren't, unvaccinated levels are much higher, That's been going on for so long now there is nothing left to argue about.
Also what age group was the Prof talking about. Which booster dole out? Age range has varied. Now they are only for 50+ starting with the oldest.
The latest booster tuned for Delta and Omecron. Ask them some months ahead in time and they will know how effective they are.
Flue actually is similar but in a different way. It has strains and they have to guess which one will arrive here. Sometimes it doesn't work out as well as it should. Death data over many years shows that. However catching flu and needing to go to hospital does not absolutely mean death. It usually means that a person has developed a serious lung condition to go with it. Some recover. May well be more than die. I know of 2 people who finished up with that problem. One no complications and the other messed up kidneys from the drugs that were used so he needed to be recovered from that as well. He did. There are 3 classes of drugs used. Over the counter, prescription only and hospital only.
LOL Then there are these people that say they have had flu. No comment,
Sully man - I assume you are a man. Not much of a real one though.
The only reason that has cropped up in the news is a new NHS function that looks for changes in various things such as strap. Read their report and you will see that there are more cases and also that levels have been higher than usual before. More so currently.
That is all the report means. Then comes chinese whispers. Sometime from people who think they have a reason for it happening, Bad news. They lack sufficient info. If there is any link to anything at all over time the people who look at this sort of thing will find it. The rest is just hot air.
LOLyou missed scarlet fever. Something that is always around.
The virus? The flu is also virus. Your posts make no sense.
For those deadly viruses that have the ability change, an annual shot is available to older people and vulnerable people. Covid and Flu are similar in that respect.
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