Tomato Paperwork

[carmanmemoranda]

Preparation for nett zero.

simple economics.

 

[gant]

tugging your forelock ?

Possibly, depends how much employers appreciate your skills.

 

[denso13]

Preparation for nett zero.

How so?

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Possibly, depends how much employers appreciate your skills.

can't get enough employees at the minute though remember

 

[gant]

You can sack a ****** when you get one though.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

You can sack a ****** when you get one though.

always could do. Our employment laws have always been in favour of the employer

 

[gant]

Not instant though.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Not instant though.

you want the American hire and fire system ? Be very careful what you wish for.

Always been much easier to sack, or make redundant somebody here than most of europe. And you say we have better conditions

 

[Notch7]

And so, after all this, J&K says that our tomatoes are being held in lorries for between 7 and 90 hours whilst paperwork is filled in.

What is this paperwork and why does it take 7 to 90 hours to fill in? Has anyone got a sample of it?

It sounds like a non-problem, or a very easy to solve one, or an easy problem being made worse by trouble causers.

Something is amiss.

something is amiss: it’s called Brexit

Our infrastructure was built for frictionless trade.



sanitary and phytosanitary controls
customs declarations
transit documents

It is a lot of paperwork, it can’t be avoided

 

[Notch7]

It’s a wonder how many other countries in the world survive outside of the EU. Gosh, they must have it tough while everywhere in the EU is a bed of roses. It’s also a wonder so many of those well off EU residents want to live, study and work in the UK.

Nowhere else in the world voted to impose massive trade barriers with its biggest and closest trade partner.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Nowhere else in the world voted to impose massive trade barriers with its biggest and closest trade partner.

the biggest argument for doing so would be to demonstrate the advantages

 

[gant]

you want the American hire and fire system ? Be very careful what you wish for.

Always been much easier to sack, or make redundant somebody here than most of europe. And you say we have better conditions

Where did I say wish for the American system?
Where did I say we have better conditions?
What I did say eu law makes taking cards in employees onerous, so employers sub contract work out and put people on zero hours contracts.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

You mean all those rights that made workers unemployable, where you cant sack people so the labour force moved to self employment and zero hours contracts.
Smart move for the workers eh.

not sure what you think you said

 

[JohnD]

they must have it tough

Yes, trade is costlier and more difficult when there are tariff and non-tariff barriers.

Everybody knows that.

 

[Deleted member 174758]

They won't be able to cut wages.
Uk has always had higher wages and better working conditions that many European countries.

Sorry, but that just isn't true. Average wage rates may be higher in the UK than for the EU as a whole, but that's because the EU has some relatively poor countries, mainly the eastern accession states such as Poland, the Czech Republic, etc. If you look at wages in the UK in comparison to similar northern European economies, say the Netherlands, Germany or Denmark, you'll find two things - that the differential between the lowest paid jobs and the highest paid jobs is less in those countries (basically the lowest paid get paid relatively more) whilst median incomes and standards of living are generally higher. Have you actually looked at wages for your own trade in Germany or the Netherlands? You might be surprised.

Eastern Europe is a different matter. These countries started out after the collapse of the Soviet Union with wrecked economies, very low wages, high unemployment and a low standard of living (sounds a bit like the North East of England in the ⁹late 1970s) - so people went abroad to earn money - just the same as many Brits did 40 to 50 years ago (I know about that, because I was one of them).

So tell me, why is it if things are so much better here that we need so many food banks?

I agree that we don't know what the future holds, but looking at historical data, it is unlikely that workers will be paid €3/hour or less like in the beloved continent.

Wages can't go down that far due to legislation, however living standards in the UK have fallen noticeably over the lastc10 years and continue to do so because of a drop in incomes vs. the cost of living

BTW when I worked in Germany, the Netherlamds and Belgium I had higher wages and comparable or in some cases better worker rights than here so I dispute your broad brush statement on that score