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I know you can have an aerial in the loft, but is there any distance from a wall it needs to be set away from ?

I have a tightish cupboard area which will hold the boiler, washing machine and fuse board on a flat i am renovating. I was thinking of putting the aerial in there as well. The building is high and we have aerials on the wall lower down than this flat, so i dont think i need to go out onto the roof to put one on the chimney.

I have a photo to show roughly where it will go.

It’s in this space where there is a triangle of wall. The 2nd photo shows this space just off to the left of the room
 

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In my first house I bought a cheapo £25 aerial fom B&Q or somewhere, hung it off a rafter and pointed it roughly where all the other TV aerials in the area were pointed, worked just fine. Guess it depends on your location and vicinty to the nearest tower.
 
Are you using foil backed PIR between the rafters?
Is there going to be insulation on the back wall?
 
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I know you can have an aerial in the loft, but is there any distance from a wall it needs to be set away from ?

Assuming you mean for a TV....

Much depends up the signal strength/distance to the transmitter. The antenna would need to be well clear of any large pieces of metal, pipes and etc.. Also keep in mind the signal will deteriorate in rain, or when the roof is wet.

The TV antenna on my own chimney failed some months ago, and as a temporary fix, until the weather gets warmer/better, I fixed up a temporary in the loft. I'm in a good signal area, but even so, I sometimes suffer pixelation in really bad weather.
 
The TV transmitter network is designed around the use of external aerials at 10m above ground level.
Room aerials (which is what this will be) may or may not work.
Even external aerials in some locations need to be above average gain and occasionally need amplification at the mast head (fringe restriction).
Trees and foliage affect reception, worse especially when wet; rain in the atmosphere has little to no effect on UHF TV frequencies (satellite frequencies are a different matter).

A lot depends on location... and the signal levels from the transmitter the aerial is pointing at.
Indoors (even in lofts) building materials will attenuate the signal by a lot... Pointing through party walls is a big no-no.

Inside a well insulated loft-conversion flat is probably one of the worst possible locations (foil-backed insulation and/or plasterboard may act as a faraday cage).
 
Are you using foil backed PIR between the rafters?
Is there going to be insulation on the back wall?
Yes doing 75mm between the rafter and 50mm under. On the walls it will be 75mm.

The tower is so close to this property. It is a few hundred meters away as the crow flies and is on a hill looking down on this street. So the signal is strong.
 
I know you can have an aerial in the loft, but is there any distance from a wall it needs to be set away from ?

I have a tightish cupboard area which will hold the boiler, washing machine and fuse board on a flat i am renovating. I was thinking of putting the aerial in there as well. The building is high and we have aerials on the wall lower down than this flat, so i dont think i need to go out onto the roof to put one on the chimney.

I have a photo to show roughly where it will go.

It’s in this space where there is a triangle of wall. The 2nd photo shows this space just off to the left of the room

Others here are correct. Looking at that roof in the pictures it's possible to see the back of the slates. That's going to need some work and insulation. By the time that's done, the foil lined Kingspan and the rest are going to make the space a signal dead spot. (Mobile phone too, possibly.)

Either go with the outdoor aerial plan, or see if you can split off from one of the existing aerials. To do that you'll need to know how much signal margin you have to play with. For that purpose you should buy some UHF inline attenuators. They're about £4 a piece online / eBay. Get a 3, a 6, and a 12dB. They can be stacked together to give various combinations up to 21dB.

A two-way outdoor splitter will drop the signal by roughly 4dB after plug ends are added into the count. Decent all-copper coax (WF100) drops the signal level by 0.15dB per metre. Cheaper steel (CCS) and aluminium based cheap-o RG6 won't be as good.

Go to the back of a TV fed from the aerial that you want to split. This needs to be the direct feed from the antenna, not something going via an amplifier. Bring up the TVs signal quality + strength metering. Add an attenuator to the end of the coax fly lead. Start with 12dB. If you still have 100% quality then add the 6dB. If still good then add the 3dB.

The strength reading isn't so important. You can (and will) lose strength by adding attenuation. You can get down to 50% on the TV metering and still get a rock solid reception. The key is the quality reading. If you hit 80% on that then that's your cut-off point, so if 12dB gets 100% on quality, but 15dB gets you 80%, then 12dB is your safety margin.

Now look at where the cable will need to run to get to the loft. Estimate the cable length. You have say 12dB to play with, take away 4dB for the split, leaves 8dB. If good coax loses 0.15dB per metre, then that's the same as 1.5dB per 10 mtrs. You'll get 5 lots of 1.5 into 8 with a bit left over. That's 5x 10 m which gives you up to 50m of cable to play with. Where you've found the safety margin larger or smaller then adjust accordingly. Now you know if you can safely split the signal.

Personally, I'd save the money on splitters and just go with a chimney mount, but your mileage may vary.
 
I have my own aerial and mounting one on the chimney is not a hard job as access out onto the roof is easy.

My issue is threading the cable through the roof space. It looks like i will need to go in through the ridge caps possibly. The whole flat is open as you can see, so just got to work out the best way to get the cable in this way. Or i throw the cable over the edge and bring it in through the brick wall in the photo. I actually have scaffolding coming to fit the boiler and new electric feed, so thinking about it i will just do this.
 
The whole flat is open as you can see, so just got to work out the best way to get the cable in this way. Or i throw the cable over the edge and bring it in through the brick wall in the photo.

Can you not simply tease the edge of a tile up to thread it under? If you do that, best to add some extra protection to the coax, to prevent it being damaged.
 
Many years ago I went to Haltwhistle where the residents of a terraced row were complaining of poor reception. The ridge was in line to the transmitting tower about 1km away at most. The gable ends and party walls progressively attenuated the signals. Outside a Triax BB grid aerial on the ground, leant against a survey vehicle tyre, gave perfect reception.

My advice was removing aerials from the lofts affixing the aerials at gutter level as long as they could see the top of the tower.

DO NOT just chuck an aerial cable over the roof without using suitable cable fixings to the roof tiles/slates that prevent movement with wind, rain heating and cooling of the sun. It's a guarantee for problems down the line, otherwise.
 
Many years ago I went to Haltwhistle where the residents of a terraced row were complaining of poor reception. The ridge was in line to the transmitting tower about 1km away at most. The gable ends and party walls progressively attenuated the signals. Outside a Triax BB grid aerial on the ground, leant against a survey vehicle tyre, gave perfect reception.

My advice was removing aerials from the lofts affixing the aerials at gutter level as long as they could see the top of the tower.

DO NOT just chuck an aerial cable over the roof without using suitable cable fixings to the roof tiles/slates that prevent movement with wind, rain heating and cooling of the sun. It's a guarantee for problems down the line, otherwise.
what are the best fixings for slates ?
 
A lot depends on the signal strength in the location concerned, the space available and the distance from conductive objects.

If you live in a "good" signal strength area (with low-gain antennae on nearby buildings and [especially] if you can "see" the transmitting antenna.),
do not have "thermal foil" insulation in the ceiling (which produces a "Faraday Cage" effect)
then, an "in loft" antenna is likely to work just as well as the same antenna "outside", at the same elevation.

I speak for the experience of one who has had (for 50 years) a TV antenna in the loft under a "Tile" roof in a location about 20 km from the transmitters on a mountain top, which I can see - on a clear day.
Plenty of signal strength and no problem, when the antenna is kept at least half the longest wavelength involved away from any conductive "wiring" etc.

With the lowest UHF band in the UK being about 470 MHz, this means that this distance should be greater than about 320 mm - which is not huge!
 
I have my aerial in the loft and I am about thirty miles from tacolneston transmitter
 
That loft space looks to have enough space to make it into an extra room/man cave, you don't want to clutter it up with ineffective aerials :)
 

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