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Assuming there is some point in reducing CO2 emissions - which there probably is, why should we be leading the fkin world?


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It's gone to *@#* since Putin anyway.
If it would help us by a few £bn a year, ease off for a bit.


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Tonight's topic on the Beeb News was Climate change Greenhouse Gasses and putting the blame for it all firmly at the feet of the industrial revolution.

A subject that is never mentioned during any report on climate change is the detonation of some 16,000 plus nuclear bombs in a 45 year period.

Pick and Choose.
Nuclear explosions do not release co2.
Only if they cause a firestorm, but most testing in desserts or underwater to prevent that happening.
 
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Nuclear explosions do not release co2.
Only if they cause a firestorm, but most testing in desserts or underwater to prevent that happening.
Can't beat thick custard for fire prevention ;)
 
Tonight's topic on the Beeb News was Climate change Greenhouse Gasses and putting the blame for it all firmly at the feet of the industrial revolution.

A subject that is never mentioned during any report on climate change is the detonation of some 16,000 plus nuclear bombs in a 45 year period.

Pick and Choose.
Why do you think that is a factor? Climate change has been studied by thousands of scientists, they have looked at a huge amount of factors. Why do you think this is/could be a factor. Most tests were stopped in the early 90s, by which time they had been testing underground for decades.

CO2 has been increasing before, during and after this, as has the average global temperature. Economic growth is the major driver, which increases industrial output and other activity increases (eg. transport), which causes the increase in CO2 in the atmosphere. Agriculture is also a factor of course, as developing countries can afford more carbon intensive diets.

World population is also not a factor, as it is set to level off. High emitting countries tend to have stable populations, as urbanisation sets in, along with education.

Basically, developed countries need to lead the way in decarbonising, to develop the technologies & systems, so that developing countries can do the same. Its not just a case of "we're a small emitter compared to China so we shouldn't do anything".
 
then please explain to me why my grass isn't greener & my oceans aren't spewing out food to feed the world.


"Many of the studies into the response of plant life to climate change seem to suggest that most plants will be more stressed and less productive in the future. But there are still many unknowns about how the complex interactions between plant physiology and behavior, resource availability and use, shifting plant communities, and other factors will affect overall plant life in the face of climate change."
 
I should add that nuclear testing is a factor in carbon dating, as it put a lot of carbon 14 in the atmosphere, so archeologists refer to anything after the start of nuclear testing as the present day.
Also,
"The researchers who track the ever-rising levels of atmospheric carbon dioxide have charted a landmark moment. As of 2021, the burning of fossil fuels has officially shifted the composition of carbon isotopes in the air of the Northern Hemisphere enough to cancel out a useful signal from nuclear-weapons testing1."

We know the increase in CO2 is coming from fossil fuels owing to the isotope fingerprint that we see increasing in the atmosphere, so we know its coming from fossil fuels.
 
Man made release of CO2 isn't even a tiny fraction of 1% of all the CO2 that is released naturally by nature. Someone needs to explain to me in a sensible manner how all of the CO2 released naturally in history by nature doesn't have an effect on our weather . . . .

CO2 is plant food. If the release of CO2 from fossil fuels is the root cause of global changes in weather patterns, then please explain to me why my grass isn't greener & my oceans aren't spewing out food to feed the world.

We have NEVER enjoyed a stable climate, why then do we have to pay a tax on the CO2 that we allegedly create???
First off, your numbers are wrong. The research estimates it's around to 3-4%, whether or not you choose to believe it's science or misinformation is up to you. Secondly, the ecosystem is about balance and CO2 emissions are cumulative. 3-4%, not much by itself but as any stock investor will tell you, compounding year on year starts to add up. The explosive population growth and industrial revolution over the last ~120 years has upset the balance.

Using your food analogy, a baby doesn't become Hercules just because you provide an unlimited source of food. If you don't provide the right ambient conditions, the baby will struggle to develop, get sick, and even die. The amount of "food" a plant/baby can take is fixed and climate is changing faster than plants can adapt (warmer/drier summers, colder/stormier winters, etc). Your sea analogy is broken. CO2 is causing the seas to be more acidic, killing sea life, not promoting it.

Europe was originally a wooded continent, from the Arctic Ocean to the Mediterranean Sea. Even after current replanting efforts, less than 40% of that woodland remains. The same can be said for woodlands of the world, if not worse. We can't say "nature handled it in the past" when mankind has drastically changed the playing field and upset the balance.

Whether or not you believe in climate change, there's no denying that extreme weather events (forest fires, droughts, flooding, summer heatwaves, storms, hurricanes, etc) are more common and severe than before. I personally don't believe we understand all factors affecting climate change, but reducing the amount of fossil fuels burned and toxins pumped into the air we breathe cannot be a bad thing.

Mankind should strive to improve, not keep the status quo just because we've gotten comfortable with it. We have the technology to move onto better, cleaner, and eventually cheaper methods. There's no reason why we shouldn't and a few tax dollars in the grand scheme of things isn't worth crying about.
 
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One most of the land that humans now live in was forest or dense shrubland.
Now somebody plants 10000 trees next to a road and everybody thinks we're turning the tide, but we're not.
We've destroyed much of the planet already, and things are actually getting worse rather than better at the moment, with emissions and more pollution.
It's the equivalent of ripping out the insulation from your home, smashing the winders and removing half the roof, then wondering why your home environment has dramatically changed.
 
First off, your numbers are wrong.
Do a Google on greenhouse CO2 enrichment, read a few scientific papers, then come back to us with what level of TAX you think they should be paying . . . . . . .

Our climate is changing. We have NEVER enjoyed a stable climate.
 
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