Ukraine counter offensive

[gant]

I really don't. You seem to be saying that Vlad defended Russia from the Americans, and others, and that America like regime change. Right?

I then pointed out that it was in fact Russia who invaded Ukraine and certainly wanted regime change early on. Can you see the point I'm making?

Typical tinfoil hatter nonsense.

I get quite well what your saying and it accuses Putin of wanting regime change in the Ukraine. What proof you have is anyone's guess because I surmise your not party to what he wants, so give us your interpretation of events
I take the line, provocation from the west might have been an underlying factor which you obviously dismiss out of hand, it doesn't mean your right in your game of oneupmanship.
Another one in your game of oneupmanship that you know everything is the tinfoil accusation, weird how you know everything.

 

[denso13]

What proof you have is anyone's guess because I surmise your not party to what he wants, so give us your interpretation of events

Russia said so. Do you think Lavrov is a loose cannon?

Russia now seeking regime change in Ukraine, Lavrov says

Moscow is seeking to overthrow the Ukrainian government, Russia’s Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said, going back on earlier statements that the leadership question was up to the Ukrainian people.

www.scmp.com

he saw the wagons circling on the way the USA wanted regime change in Russia

How do you know the USA want regime change?

I take the line, provocation from the west might have been an underlying factor which you obviously dismiss out of hand,

I don't dismiss it at all although I wouldn't call it a provocation. Invasion isn't the answer though.

 

[gant]

South China post said, that should do it.

The USA want regime change? Theyve got form when they took on the role of the worlds policeman. As a fading power under Biden perhaps the new kids on the block are giving them a run for their money.

 

[denso13]

South China post said, that should do it.

Are you claiming he didn't say it?

 

[gant]

You seem convinced, me not so given the source. Just like your not convinced by sources you have doubts about.

 

[denso13]

You seem convinced, me not so given the source.

Plenty of other sources if you can be bothered.

 

[Deleted member 221031]

You seem convinced, me not so given the source. Just like your not convinced by sources you have doubts about.

Plenty of other sources if you can be bothered.

Reads different

 

[Brigadier]

You seem convinced, me not so given the source. Just like your not convinced by sources you have doubts about.

Why conduct the "special military operation"then?
Was the intention to leave the Ukraine's incumbent government in place?

 

[JohnD]

... it accuses Putin of wanting regime change in the Ukraine. ....

"accuses" FFS?

Let me check this.

Are you suggesting that by Invading Ukraine, and sending airbourne troops to its capital city

Putin was NOT attempting to overthrow it by force?

 

[gant]

That's how war works in it. Did it pass you by the point I was making he was being backed into a corner so decided to go for sh*t or bust or hand his country over to the west that's up shxt creek.
All these commentators who are all so certain what's exactly going when they're all reading their msm updates, tickles me it does.

 

[denso13]

or hand his country over to the west

Utter nonsense.

 

[JohnD]

That's how war works in it.

Is that a "yes?"

 

[martygturner]

Did it pass you by the point I was making he was being backed into a corner so decided to go for sh*t or bust or hand his country over to the west that's up shxt creek.

Err how was putin being backed into a corner, he had already invaded the Ukraine, the crimea and the donbass and along with vast area of Georgia...How can he be backed into the corner , he is the one doing the land grab.

That's like saying Scotland can invade northumberland because quite a few scots live there....utter twaddle

 

[gant]

Is that a "yes?"

Have the Ukraine been innocent bystanders or had incursions into disputed territory?

 

[JohnD]

Is that a "no?"