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[ellal]

It always comes back to what Israel have done, doesn't it.

Hamas want the destruction of all Jews, it is irrelevant when they were formed. Until that changes this will go on.

You haven't answered the question of how Israel came about mainly by the action of terrorists...

The Palestinians were then expelled...

I find it strange that you can't acknowledge this!

Why is that?

You always come back to Hamas and why they should be disbanded/destroyed before things will change...

Do you not understand why this conflict started?

I guess you would have said that about the PLO, but when a peace process was announced they changed their views and recognised Israel...

However Israel reneged on the 'deal' and carried on stealing Palestinian land...

That's why Hamas came to the fore and to ignore that fact is the reason why this conflict will be never ending!

 

[Brigadier]

The Gaza Strip is 41 kilometres (25 miles) long, from 6 to 12 km (3.7 to 7.5 mi) wide, and has a total area of 365 km2 (141 sq mi). With around 2 million Palestinians on approximately 365 km2 (141 sq mi) of land, Gaza has a high population density (comparable to that of Hong Kong).

Which is materially what I said.

 

[Odds]

There is only one side who has the stated/written aim of eradicating every single person on the other side. Only one. It is a blatantly racist aim by a terrorist group.

Arab and Jew are both semitic people - how is it racist?

 

[motorbiking]

Because they are recognised as both a race and a religion. Though the definition of what makes you a Jew from a race point of view, doesn't have its origins in a great source (i.e. the Nazi definition).

 

[Odds]

Because they are recognised as both a race and a religion. Though the definition of what makes you a Jew from a race point of view, doesn't have its origins in a great source (i.e. the Nazi definition).

The antipathy between them is defined by religion, not racism.

 

[Roy Bloom]

Stop posting lies as facts.

Gaza is approx. the same population density as London, or Tel Aviv.

2 million people, in 365 million sq.m.

Get yer calculator oot.


I understand - militarily - why Hamas would want to embed within the Palestinian people, but to dress it up as physically unavoidable is (yet more) bullshoite on your part.

Can you imagine fighting a struggle against your military occupier from central London, wirhout being embedded within the civilian population, especially when you're restricted to an area about the size of the Isle of Wight, when the whole square metre is so densely populated.

Can you imagibe UK giving instructions to the French Resistance, in order to avoid stupid accusations, "you're only allowed to fight the Germans in the open fields!"
Especially when those open fields are monitored by automatic sensor-operated machine guns!

I think you are the one that is failing to understand the reality, in order to reiterate a dishonest myth.
A myth circulated to justify the Israeli conduct against the Palestinians.

 

[Roy Bloom]

If every major news outlet including Al Jazeera are claiming there were 50 deaths, and some on here choose to report that as 100 deaths, then yes, numbers do need to be discussed, together with the motivation for falsely representing news reports.

Who is falsifying news reports?
I'm saying that civilian deaths, caused by wanton indiscriminate bombing, are unacceptable. The number of civilian deaths is irrelevant.
The IDF has history of indiscriminate killing of civilians.

Your discussion about determining the precise number of casualities is with Vinty, so why raise it with me?

Apparently it's 57, 50 Palestinians and 7 hostages, of unkown nationality.

You would have thought that the intelligence about the location of a Palestinian commander would have extended to the location of hostages.

 

[Roy Bloom]

There is only one side who has the stated/written aim of eradicating every single person on the other side. Only one. It is a blatantly racist aim by a terrorist group.

You have picked the wrong side.

Until that stated objective changes, nothing else has a hope.

https://archive.ph/SUmLa

According to your reporting of Israeli propaganda.

Zionism has a stated position of extending their land to cover the Levant (Jordan, Syria, Egypt, Lebanon, as well as Palestine).
Until that stated objective changes, nothing else has a hope.

 

[Roy Bloom]

Which is materially what I said.

The obvious difference is that Londoners would have numerous routes to escape any bombing. Whereas Gazans have no exit route, and are bombed in the supposedly designated "safe zones", and on the supposedly "safe routes".

In addition Gazans know from their own experience that any voluntary leaving of their homes will invariably be denied a right of return, if there's anything to return to.

 

[Roy Bloom]

The antipathy between them is defined by religion, not racism.

And by nationality, which is also covered by racism.

 

[motorbiking]

maybe they should have thought of that before they invaded their militarily more powerful neighbour. Perhaps its time for unconditional surrender.

 

[boolie]

There is only one side who has the stated/written aim of eradicating every single person on the other side. Only one. It is a blatantly racist aim by a terrorist group.

You have picked the wrong side.

Until that stated objective changes, nothing else has a hope.

https://archive.ph/SUmLa

You've unintentionally proven my point. I could easily and rationally explain the history and causation of all this..but I daresay you'd just ignore it for reasons which are really just deep entrenched bigotry.

Like I say, there's no point debating with racist bigoted people - they basically just think the other side are a bunch of animals, no amount of argument will change that.

 

[Deleted member 294929]

Started watching Fauda but gave up due to my lack of Hebrew..

Special Forces go in to scout out the situation - as they did in Black Hawk Down.
Good movie.
Real life is much more messy

A good example of this is 'Fauda', season 1-4, to show how Israeli operatives infiltrate the West Bank and Gaza to disrupt and destroy Arab attacks using all kinds of tricks to manipulate and deceive them.

Coffee ️ is a vast improvement on what I was producing. But I'm a long way off a perfect cup of ️

 

[ellal]

maybe they should have thought of that before they invaded their militarily more powerful neighbour. Perhaps its time for unconditional surrender.

'Invaded' is a subjective term when applied to that region...

What about when the more powerful neighbour invades your land and illegally annexes it?

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'Unconditional Surrender' will never be an option...

How about unconditional withdrawal to the 1967 borders?

 

[Roy Bloom]

Perhaps its time for unconditional surrender.

Because they feel it's better to die on their feet, than live on their knees.

They've been under military occupation and blockade for decades.
Not to mention the ongoing apartheid, with its accompanying discrimination.