Nigel did well..

[carmanmemoranda]

And then you argue that wages are OK for houses and complain when people want a better standard of living.

Seems to me that brexit hasn't sorted anything like that. It's got worse

 

[ellal]

So where are the benefits?

mottie knows there aren't any...

And by default his attitude and vote means that he hates that his offspring could have had the same chances as he had...

He thinks going out and enjoying the world is 'bumming around'...

But they didn't 'bum around', they used to be able to work abroad to fund their travels - another right mottie has denied them...

Although he is happy to 'bum around' himself and get taxpayers money for not working!

 

[noseall]

It’s stops those people being exploited by unscrupulous employers.

Brexit was never going to be a panacea for that. Wrong target.

Nor do you give a fig, either. You are just trying to find and excuse (ANY excuse) for the catastrophook that you imparted upon the UK.

 

[ellal]

People easily forget the 1930's, because it was so long ago...

But facism was started democratically...

Garbage has just said this, and the cat is fully out of the bag...

"Adolf Hitler was “hypnotic in a very dangerous way” as a public speaker and spoke again of his admiration for Vladimir Putin as a “political operator”.

The Reform UK leader was asked about the Nazi Germany dictator, his views on the Russian president and offered his opinion about the ongoing war in Ukraine.

“You can recognise the fact that some people are good at what they do even if they have evil intent.”

In 2014, Mr Farage said Mr Putin was the world leader he most admires and praised his “brilliant” handling of the civil war in Syria"

Anyone who admires garbage is a closet facist!

 

[festive]

Still seemed evident the other night Farage was quoting facts in the debates and seems far more credible in what he was proposing.
But I have to agree whilst being a supporter of Brexit at the time it's caused alot of negative. And in hindsight voted remain. However I still see direct issues related to post brexit voting negotiations where government and professional bodies failed to negotiate the best for us blaming it on the democratic decision. Make of that what you want.

Noone else on the ITV debate had any credible ability and were able to show confidence and the ability to speak honestly about what needed to be done to force change. He quoted facts about immigration despite the usual lefties not wanting to hear it. He also spoke facts about the NHS. It's rotten to the core we need to look at very different methods on changing and efficiency as Nigel said just throwing more money at it won't fix it.

 

[Mottie]

He also spoke facts about the NHS. It's rotten to the core we need to look at very different methods on changing and efficiency as Nigel said just throwing more money at it won't fix it.

Mrs mottie works for the NHS on the administrative side. The waste and incompetence she sees on a daily basis beggars belief. It just wouldn’t happen in the private sector.

 

[fillyboy]

Mrs mottie works for the NHS on the administrative side. The waste and incompetence she sees on a daily basis beggars belief. It just wouldn’t happen in the private sector.

The bus promised an extra £350 million a week, they're now getting an extra £380 million a week (maybe more, I haven't checked the NHS England site for a while).
Makes no difference, £500 million a week will have no effect.
As you say, waste and incompetence.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

The bus promised an extra £350 million a week, they're now getting an extra £380 million a week (maybe more, I haven't checked the NHS England site for a while).
Makes no difference, £500 million a week will have no effect.
As you say, waste and incompetence.

And lack of spending on infrastructure years ago which is being spent now quicker than it can come in.

You are only looking at 1 part of the issue. Its been neglected to this point on purpose.

 

[lastmuffininbrussels]

According to the poll. Quite a few on here believe in polls when it suits them. Where are they now?

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It’s like regurgitating old stale vomit with this chain smoking dinosaur of a man. The man behind the national embarrassment of Brexit which has cost us billions. You need to feel some sympathy for the narrow minded types who after millions of Years of human existence still suffer from the intolerance, prejudice, narrow mindedness and all fall into a certain demographic as well which leads me to the fact that possibly better education and travelling could open peoples eyes to the World.
25 Years of social media though is rotting peoples minds and breeding intolerance.
The far right seem to have hijacked it!

 

[fillyboy]

You need to feel some sympathy for the narrow minded types

We do feel sorry for you.

 

[festive]

Mrs mottie works for the NHS on the administrative side. The waste and incompetence she sees on a daily basis beggars belief. It just wouldn’t happen in the private sector.

Absolutely agree I have some good friends working there as consultants who say the same its shocking and unfortunately most of it is due to apathy from senior management who have spent most of their lives working there ie public sector not private, 1980s methodology none scalable solutions that just don't work barely then let alone now.

 

[festive]

It’s like regurgitating old stale vomit with this chain smoking dinosaur of a man. The man behind the national embarrassment of Brexit which has cost us billions. You need to feel some sympathy for the narrow minded types who after millions of Years of human existence still suffer from the intolerance, prejudice, narrow mindedness and all fall into a certain demographic as well which leads me to the fact that possibly better education and travelling could open peoples eyes to the World.
25 Years of social media though is rotting peoples minds and breeding intolerance.
The far right seem to have hijacked it!

Ok so let's look at Mallorca this all started by a small few lead by someone similar to Farage ie willing to speak up. And people are now protesting en mass. Do you regard these people as prejudice intolerant and uneducated. The irony being people like you are normally the issue. You dont understand the reasons but only understand the overarching term racist. That's the depth of your understanding isn't it.

 

[diy_fun_uk]

Still seemed evident the other night Farage was quoting facts in the debates and seems far more credible in what he was proposing.
But I have to agree whilst being a supporter of Brexit at the time it's caused alot of negative. And in hindsight voted remain. However I still see direct issues related to post brexit voting negotiations where government and professional bodies failed to negotiate the best for us blaming it on the democratic decision. Make of that what you want.

Noone else on the ITV debate had any credible ability and were able to show confidence and the ability to speak honestly about what needed to be done to force change. He quoted facts about immigration despite the usual lefties not wanting to hear it. He also spoke facts about the NHS. It's rotten to the core we need to look at very different methods on changing and efficiency as Nigel said just throwing more money at it won't fix it.

Labour has been in government.
Tories are and have previously been in government.
Even the Liberals have had a taste of government, albeit not recently.
Reform has no track record for us to base their rhetoric on.

My point is this. It's relatively easy for a leader of opposition parties (with no history) to speak more openly and perhaps be more candid. What we'd need to see is Reform in government with a healthy majority to discover just how much they'd try and stick to the rhetoric and deliver on their manifesto or 'contract with the people' or whatever they call it.

In one sense you can't blame Starmer for being so cautious, as others are saying it's like seeing the finish line and wanting to get their first without dropping the egg, or whatever the analogy is!

 

[JonathanM]

To have any realistic chance, they really need a very good looking front woman, to recite some right wing platitudes. Possibly a former C-list celebrity who married a high profile billionaire.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Ok so let's look at Mallorca this all started by a small few lead by someone similar to Farage ie willing to speak up. And people are now protesting en mass. Do you regard these people as prejudice intolerant and uneducated. The irony being people like you are normally the issue. You dont understand the reasons but only understand the overarching term racist. That's the depth of your understanding isn't it.

Oh the irony.

Throwing the racism comment around but ignoring Farages views and comments