failing to understand the rules... again.

[Mottie]

When you carried out your survey what method did you use?

Google. What method are you using and what did that show?

Number of patients paying for private surgery reaches record high

Some 820,000 people either paid directly or through insurance for surgery last year, new figures show

www.independent.co.uk

 

[Brigadier]

I see it that they are paying for NHS and state schools but not using them. You don’t hear them moaning about it or asking for a refund.

Coz they're grown-ups, who appreciate the benefits of living in a civilised, first-world country

 

[ajohn]

Google. What method are you using and what did that show?

Record levels of patients are choosing to pay for their care in private hospitals, new data shows.

Figures from the Private Heathcare Information Network (PHIN) suggest the number of patients paying for their hospital care hit 272,000 in 2022. This was 10,000 more compared to 2021 and higher than any previously recorded years, the PHIN said.

The report suggests that compared to years before the pandemic, 76 per cent more people are turning to private care for hip replacements, while 64 per cent more people paid for knee replacement operations.

However, cataract surgery and chemotherapy continued to be the most commonly paid-for procedures.
Fact when cataract are treated by them the NHS pays. The same factor can crop up in other areas.

Pre covid the NHS were short of 5,000,000 operations per year. The backlog is a major aspect of the NHS's problems. That number of ops dropped dramatically during covid.

Surgical activity in England and Wales during the COVID-19 pandemic: a nationwide observational cohort study - PMC

A significant proportion of healthcare resource has been diverted to the care of those with COVID-19. This study reports the volume of surgical activity and the number of cancelled surgical procedures during the COVID-19 pandemic. We used hospital ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Also things had deteriorated before covid,

 

[crystal ball]

Google. What method are you using and what did that show?

Number of patients paying for private surgery reaches record high

Some 820,000 people either paid directly or through insurance for surgery last year, new figures show

www.independent.co.uk

Not disputing that I meant your bit about no one moaning

 

[Mottie]

Not disputing that I meant your bit about no one moaning

Same as ajohn - personal experience. Did you ask him what method he used and his survey sampling?

 

[crystal ball]

Same as ajohn - personal experience. Did you ask him what method he used and his survey sampling?

How many people did you ask?

 

[Mottie]

How many people did you ask?

None. I didn’t say I did. I said I didn't hear anyone moaning. How many did ajohn ask? Did you ask him how many he asked?

 

[crystal ball]

None. I didn’t say I did. I said I didn't hear anyone moaning. How many did ajohn ask? Did you ask him how many he asked?

Sounds like the BSA method

 

[Mottie]

Sounds like the BSA method

He didn’t tell me. I’ll let him know. Thanks.

 

[crystal ball]

He didn’t tell me. I’ll let him know. Thanks.

You can dance around it as much as you like, its a figment of your imagination

 

[noseall]

I’ve never used private schools but I recognise the value they bring

Even more value now, thanks to Keir.

You're thinking all those schools, whose fee payers are being asked to pay VAT, will now close their doors?

 

[ajohn]

I just copy pasted some ones link (content not matching comments ) and added another relating to backlogs mentioning that things had deteriorated before covid anyway, I have no idea which party decided to use spare private hospital capacity in some areas.

Spare capacity though. These cataract Friends of the NHS have been created. I find there are several in the area I live in. They don't do anything else. Friends of the NHS as the NHS pays for the work. An optician points me directly at one particular one who's leaflet they just happen to have in a drawer. Also pressure to get it done when I am coping. I want an NHS opinion.

 

[Mottie]

You can dance around it as much as you like, its a figment of your imagination

So can you. We'll never know ajohns methods either though because you wouldn’t/didn't question them, just me. Perhaps that was because he gave the answer you wanted?

 

[ajohn]

We'll never know ajohns methods

Just as I stated - I know some one where skin cancer eventually had to go to the NHS. He did have previous private care for this some time before this happened.

 

[Mottie]

Yep, personal experience or lack of. Im not disputing what you heard or saw.