An off shoot of the Reparations thread..

[diy_fun_uk]

Maybe we should okay some financial reparations, on the understanding the leaders of these countries need to open up their personal finances and those of their government to a truly thorough fully independent assessment and review carried out by western experts. Then, if anything untoward is uncovered, say along the lines of monies obtained through corruption, then every single penny has to be recouped and paid directly to their citizens.

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

Maybe we should okay some financial reparations, on the understanding the leaders of these countries need to open up their personal finances and those of their government to a truly thorough fully independent assessment and review carried out by western experts. Then, if anything untoward is uncovered, say along the lines of monies obtained through corruption, then every single penny has to be recouped and paid directly to their citizens.

Perhaps start with all the charity collections, they make in the UK.

 

[ellal]

Silly argument, as is we have come to expect..

You're right, we have come to expect a silly argument from you...

Actually this time yours is a really stupid one!

 

[ellal]

Not that many years ago, Germany, near completely destroyed much of Europe, and caused millions of deaths, and for a second time, did they, could they ever make reparations for that?

They paid billions in reparations, but of course no country could pay up in full...

Thus silly argument number two from you...

And bear in mind it is countries that pay reparations, not individuals...

Sure it is taxpayer's money, but maybe it ought to be that the reparations on the whole should come from those who gained?

Like the monarchy

And have you ever bought a PC that was IBM based?

Well they made their main start by providing hitler with a card reading system that identified the Jews...

They have paid billions in reparations decades later, without of course accepting 'liability'...

Would you have preferred that they hadn't coughed up?

 

[ellal]

Maybe we should okay some financial reparations, on the understanding the leaders of these countries need to open up their personal finances and those of their government to a truly thorough fully independent assessment and review carried out by western experts. Then, if anything untoward is uncovered, say along the lines of monies obtained through corruption, then every single penny has to be recouped and paid directly to their citizens.

Akin to unearthing expense fraud amongst the members of parliament in the UK?

Or similar dodgy dealings by an unelected head of state in the UK?

So where do you suggest these 'western experts' can be found?

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

They paid billions in reparations, but of course no country could pay up in full...

It was only a token, compared to the true cost, of the damage, the lives ruined, and the lives lost. Not that I'm complaining, it was, what it was, and in the past - but not nearly so much in the past, as those seeking reparations, for centuries even further back. All complete, total nonsense.

It was, what it was, the world has moved on since. The difference is, some see a nice little earner, and so want to jump on the band wagon.

 

[diy_fun_uk]

Akin to unearthing expense fraud amongst the members of parliament in the UK?

Or similar dodgy dealings by an unelected head of state in the UK?

So where do you suggest these 'western experts' can be found?

In the west.

And we're not seeking reparations, are we?

Trust me, if we start paying out on a grand scale, it'll never stop, it'll never be enough.

And why should UK citizens pay? Even if they found some miraculous way for payments to go 100% to their citizens without their government playing 'one to you, five to us', why should UK citizens be sending money to citizens of these countries? Many here are already up against it financially.

These countries need to man up and start building their own socioeconomic success stories, instead of asking for hand outs.

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

What about reparations for the Post Office scandal? The entire thing is in current memory, yet many of those who suffered, are being allowed to die, before getting even a fraction of what they lost..

 

[ellal]

And we're not seeking reparations, are we?

But we got the MP's to repay back the fraudulent money claimed...

And there are investigations into corrupt dealings between government and private companies such as the 'VIP Lane PPE scandal'...

So what makes us better than those you wish to scrutinise abroad?

As far as I'm concerned all corruption should be tackled wherever it occurs...

You might think the 'West' holds the 'moral high ground', but that's just what you've been told to believe

 

[transam]

Historical repatriations ????

Tell em to go and do one imho

The UK should be repatriated for the Benefits and good we have done in the world

Granted there were a few c*** ups but hey ho you can’t make an omelate with out breaking a few eggs

 

[mattylad]

When asked about reperations I would simply quote what someone else said.

I never owned any slaves and I'm damn sure you never picked any cotton.
It's all just a big scam by them to get some free money from the west.

 

[diy_fun_uk]

But we got the MP's to repay back the fraudulent money claimed...

And there are investigations into corrupt dealings between government and private companies such as the 'VIP Lane PPE scandal'...

So what makes us better than those you wish to scrutinise abroad?

As far as I'm concerned all corruption should be tackled wherever it occurs...

You might think the 'West' holds the 'moral high ground', but that's just what you've been told to believe

You're missing my point.

It is very likely that, should reparations be paid, a significant % of it would end up not reaching those it would be intended for. I have much less concern about UK citizens receiving reparations for something that's gone wrong within the UK in recent or relatively recent times. Having said that, I wouldn't be happy about every Bristolian receiving £10k because it was discovered 5000 of them were slaughtered at the behest of the King hundreds of years ago (scenario made up to support my point.)

Btw, I don't think the west holds the moral high ground.

 

[blup]

The argument for reparations from the countries affected is not a lottery style payment to individuals, but recognition that western countries who exploited the human and natural resources of the countries affected are morally responsible for the impact of global warming on their economies. Its making a case for economic support.

 

[diy_fun_uk]

The argument for reparations from the countries affected is not a lottery style payment to individuals, but recognition that western countries who exploited the human and natural resources of the countries affected are morally responsible for the impact of global warming on their economies. Its making a case for economic support.

Rubbish.

The majority of it would be syphoned off to maintain the billionaire lifestyles of those at the top.

I didn't say reparations would go to individual citizens, my point was even if every citizen of whatever country was to financially benefit, I still wouldn't support it.

 

[Vinty]

Not that many years ago, Germany, near completely destroyed much of Europe, and caused millions of deaths, and for a second time, did they, could they ever make reparations for that?

They are still paying reparations to Israel.