I wish we had big Don in charge over here !

A softly softly approach by others whilst appearing to be backed into a corner by trump could easily make them even more against USA.

I do fear that in other parts of the world, this will start to happen. Obviously it is far too early to tell. And countries might hang on to see what comes after Trump. Having said that, it is already going on:

 
I do fear that in other parts of the world, this will start to happen. Obviously it is far too early to tell. And countries might hang on to see what comes after Trump. Having said that, it is already going on:

It's not rocket science.

Most people who feel they have a gun being held to their heads will look for escape options.

Trump is playing into the hands of China and Russia.

And people on here still defend him and praise him even.

The man is dangerous to the west !
 
When it comes to America and Trump's presidency, it'll be very interesting to see where things are at 24 months from now, both in terms of his popularity rating with the American people and how his policies are playing out. Oh, and how many of his selections are still in post and what his relationship with Musk is like.

A bit like us with Starmer and Labour. A couple of years from now will we be thinking 'hey, this is playing out not too bad' or will things have gone from bad to worse.
 
I think of it as an angry and dysfunctional country.

That's the view you will get from media, etc. However, if you actually go there you will find it's actually a fantastic place with lots going for it. It's actually UK that is angry and dysfunctional. What are we for any more? We're sinking - US still has great potential. I think some may be jealous of this. Americans still have pride in their country - you can see that by the stars and stripes flying on their porches.
 
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That's the view you will get from media, etc. However, if you actually go there you will find it's actually a fantastic place with lots going for it. It's actually UK that is angry and dysfunctional. What are we for any more? We're sinking - US still has great potential. Americans still have pride in their country - you can see that by the stars and stripes flying on their porches.
Im not sure why you dont see the anger over there though.

Like us, it's a very divided country right now.

Populist politics has a lot to answer for.
 
What you're actually saying then, you'd increase the rate of tax. (y)
AH my dog, finally he's got it. I have explained a few times. Specific taxes yes. What Rache did was for political reasons (votes) not economic ones, or for the good of the country. They are counterproductive.

Suddenly some of his views started to make more sense.
Some of his views certainly do - like EU not using Russion oil!
He also points out that EU VAT is rather like a 20% tariff - he's right.

China factory Labour cost $5.50 per hour
America factory cost $27.00 per hour
There was a similar comparison for VW German workers $62 an hour, Bulgarians across the border, same car, $26.
Germans wanted more money so VW said they'd close some factories, gott in himmel mit blitzen usw.

Apparently UK industry is paying 4 times more for leccy than US industry
That's cos we're all paying a fortune in extra money, to HMG and foreign producers, with the energy payment.


You are a Trump supporter
You like the over-simple, it suits you. Just because someone agrees with some things does not make them a XXX supporter.

Provided that US workers in US factories are prepared to work for Chinese level wages, under Chinese standard conditions, and the US government is willing to offer soft loans to the factory owners
No, that's the point, the tariffs make the Chinese ones so much more expensive that ...... - oh you're just troling again.

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So far we've see that what Trump says and does are different.
He wants a tariff on Canadian oil. But the US does not have some of the high MWt grades Canada has. Canada could sell that elsewhere along with the rest, as a pushback. WHat then?
I give it a year before China is producing the same 1nm size semiconductor chips as Taiwan Semiconductor makes for NVIDIA etc ( Apple, Meta, Msoft, Amazon) now using the Dutch ASML machines. They already can, but not efficiently. The American chips are ridiculously expensive, Chinese will probably be 5% of the cost. That's going to be overwhelming. Amazon can put cloud computing plant in, say, Canada. Oops.
Nobody claims to understand what'll happen.
China has many of the ASML machines already. They just haven't perfected copying. Nikon tried and gave up, too.

As has been proven, AI isn't all about the hardware either. The software and data are immense, and you CAN copy those if you know how, which can be made hard, instead of the current open-source nonsense. I expect an Einstein character may come up with ways of doing things which boggle everyone else, and that'll trump the hardware (chips).
WIthin a handful of years, the global spend on AI is projected to exceed the total GDP of the whole of Europe, and contnue growing at around 40% Compound Annual Growth Rate.
 
Im not sure why you dont see the anger over there though.

Like us, it's a very divided country right now.

Populist politics has a lot to answer for.

Show me country that isn't divided in some way. Rich and poor, left and right, black or white. A showman like Trump may highlight those divisions, but he's not responsible for them. They were there before him and will be after.

There's plenty of anger here too. Never seen people so angry about a new government so quickly.
 
Show me country that isn't divided in some way. Rich and poor, left and right, black or white. A showman like Trump may highlight those divisions, but he's not responsible for them. They were there before him and will be after.
I've never known the Uk or the USA to be so divided as it is now. It's happened over the last few years.

Blame who you want, but divisive politics as we have seen over the last 10 years or so is the main cause. Both USA and UK have loud speaking politicians who blame all the problems on a certain issue. It proves not to be true so they blame something else. That proves not to be true so they blame something else and on it goes. The fault is those who keep misleading people by blaming others, especially foreigners and immigrants.

They are an issue, but they are not the reason.
 
DJT has a degree in economics
(Pause while y'alls guffaw )
Probably paid for by his father. That's a scurrilous accusation for which I don't have the slightest evidence. You know, trump style.
Do spend a moment while in the toilet reading Wikipedia on trump.
It's certainly worse that I knew about.
Man, I wish that bullet had missed his ear. Was that rigged, too?
 
That's the view you will get from media, etc. However, if you actually go there you will find it's actually a fantastic place with lots going for it. It's actually UK that is angry and dysfunctional. What are we for any more? We're sinking - US still has great potential. I think some may be jealous of this. Americans still have pride in their country - you can see that by the stars and stripes flying on their porches.

When I worked there in the 1980s, that is what I thought it would be like. But I was shocked by how dirty and run down it seemed and by levels of poverty and inequality you just don't see here. And that was when the US was a much happier country at the zenith of its power. It is much worse now.
 
you can see that by the stars and stripes flying

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Patriots my arse.
 
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