Are we witnessing, in real time, the collapse of the left wing.

taxing the wealthy to apply balance is "Noseall" paying more both in total and share of income, so that "Nosenout" can get benefits and discounts (subsidised).
I don't have an issue with the wealthy paying more tax - correct. I don't have an issue with poor people receiving state help - correct.
 
Do you define Democracy on how many people are registered to vote, or how many actually vote?

I say that the absence of democracy can be observed by the proportion prevented from voting.

So certainly a country where more than half the adult population had no right to vote, such as the UK prior to the 1929 election, cannot be described as a democratic country. Biker boy disagrees.

There are others.
 
Nosenout is a bit of a slacker, he lets the guy in Travis Perkins price his jobs, he has lots of waste, screws up frequently and has to go back to fix poor work. He has a few CCJs due to sh*t work and has to price low to survive. His margins are poor and his profit is about 15k per year.

Nosenout wants Noseall to pay, not just more taxes but proportionally more taxes because he wants an Audi too. Nosenout thinks it's only fair because Noseall is wealthy. Nosenout blames wealth inequality for his inability to compete and thinks Noseall must be well connected through school chums to make his wealth. Turns out Noseall just works hard.

Biking uses his imagination to describe the fantasy he carries in his head.

He likes the notion of "the undeserving poor"
 
I say that the absence of democracy can be observed by the proportion prevented from voting.

So certainly a country where more than half the adult population had no right to vote, such as the UK prior to the 1929 election, cannot be described as a democratic country. Biker boy disagrees.

There are others.
So that would innclude the USA where millions of black voters were disenfranchised by new State voting regulations?
 
I was obviously making a point that specifically applies to the country I live in, and bikerboy's alternative opinion.

There are others.
 
I was obviously making a point that specifically applies to the country I live in, and bikerboy's alternative opinion.

There are others.
So you do live in a country where the ordinary working person can afford to live in a home with a garden.

Glad we got there in the end.
 
I was obviously making a point that specifically applies to the country I live in, and bikerboy's alternative opinion.

There are others.
We have our own version in this country.

“Elections are the cornerstone of our democracy and yet we are burdened by a system which is both ineffective and inefficient, where millions of people are disenfranchised because they are incorrectly registered or not on the electoral register. In the year of a general election, this is a damning indictment of the UK’s electoral registration arrangements and a threat to the rights of British voters.

Clive Betts, Chair of the Levelling Up, Housing and Communities (LUHC) Committee

 
Biking uses his imagination to describe the fantasy he carries in his head.

He likes the notion of "the undeserving poor"

It's a very popular way of dealing with the issue of inequality.
 
Here’s the problem:

In 1965 CEOs were paid 21x as much as a typical worker
In 2022 CEOs were paid 344x as much as a typical worker


Motorbiking seems to think it’s fine that millions in the U.K. have such low earnings that they run out of money every month before payday and go hungry……Motorbiking is happy with that because he doesn’t think the very wealthy should have to settle for an 80ft boat instead of a 100ft boat
On the bib I tend to agree with you. I think, if CEO remuneration packages were capped (globally, with everyone strictly adhering to it) at say 30x typical worker, those who want to climb the greasy pole to become CEO would still have the drive and determination to do so. If nothing else because earning hundreds of thousands is still preferable to earning tens of thousands.

OT but it's like top sports, let's take football. Top players can earn £500k+ weekly. It was on the telly box yesterday about one of the top premier league clubs currently struggling financially. Their player wage bill accounts for something like 95% of their monthly expenditure. So what's happening? Ticket prices are increasing.

If, globally, football player salaries were capped at say £200k weekly (strictly adhered to by clubs) the individuals who strive to reach the top in that game would surely still have the drive to do so?

We've created this economic system where 'the markets dictate', however one thing's for sure. It has led to greater wage inequality and for consumers, higher prices.

There needs to be some sort of reset, however what that is I don't know.
 
On the bib I tend to agree with you. I think, if CEO remuneration packages were capped (globally, with everyone strictly adhering to it) at say 30x typical worker, those who want to climb the greasy pole to become CEO would still have the drive and determination to do so. If nothing else because earning hundreds of thousands is still preferable to earning tens of thousands.

OT but it's like top sports, let's take football. Top players can earn £500k+ weekly. It was on the telly box yesterday about one of the top premier league clubs currently struggling financially. Their player wage bill accounts for something like 95% of their monthly expenditure. So what's happening? Ticket prices are increasing.

If, globally, football player salaries were capped at say £200k weekly (strictly adhered to by clubs) the individuals who strive to reach the top in that game would surely still have the drive to do so?

We've created this economic system where 'the markets dictate', however one thing's for sure. It has led to greater wage inequality and for consumers, higher prices.

There needs to be some sort of reset, however what that is I don't know.

Rolls Royce were on the bones of their r's during covid, share price around £1 and facing severe problems. Tufan Erginbilgic took over as ceo and share price on Friday was £7.50, brokers have put on target prices for the share between £9-£11, profits announced last week were 2.5 billion compared to 1.5 billion the year before.
I've no idea what his salary is, don't really care.
 
On the bib I tend to agree with you. I think, if CEO remuneration packages were capped (globally, with everyone strictly adhering to it) at say 30x typical worker, those who want to climb the greasy pole to become CEO would still have the drive and determination to do so. If nothing else because earning hundreds of thousands is still preferable to earning tens of thousands.

OT but it's like top sports, let's take football. Top players can earn £500k+ weekly. It was on the telly box yesterday about one of the top premier league clubs currently struggling financially. Their player wage bill accounts for something like 95% of their monthly expenditure. So what's happening? Ticket prices are increasing.

If, globally, football player salaries were capped at say £200k weekly (strictly adhered to by clubs) the individuals who strive to reach the top in that game would surely still have the drive to do so?

We've created this economic system where 'the markets dictate', however one thing's for sure. It has led to greater wage inequality and for consumers, higher prices.

There needs to be some sort of reset, however what that is I don't know.
Start with football, if the fans stopped buying season tickets the merch or even going to games, the owners would sit up and listen. Ordinary people have enormous political and economic power. Instead we get Chelsea fans wishing abramavich came back to service the debt
 
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