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[Notch7]

Article 25 the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea allows states to take "necessary steps" to prevent passage that is not innocent.
here it is again. https://www.un.org/depts/los/convention_agreements/texts/unclos/unclos_e.pdf

I provided plenty of references... You none... as usual.

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/is-turning-back-migrants-at-sea-compatible-with-international-law/

For something to be illegal, there is usually a law to say so. I wonder why you cannot find it. Is it because it doesn't exist?

Seems Labour are so worried about reform, they are adopting plans they previously moaned about.

https://committees.parliament.uk/oralevidence/2602/html/

European refugee policy: Are pushbacks at sea legal? – DW – 07/07/2020

Greece is accused of pushing back asylum-seekers' boats to prevent them from reaching EU waters. To what degree does that contravene international law? DW looks at the key issues.

www.dw.com

We’ve been through all this loads of times and you continue being wrong

you make the false claim that “pushbacks are legal” without defining the circumstances…..if a boat is in distress phase there is an obligation to help

SAFETY OF LIFE AT SEA CONVENTION - Chapter 5 - Regulation 33

Also read A33 refugee Geneva convention

 

[denso13]

you make the false claim that “pushbacks are legal” without defining the circumstances…..if a boat is in distress phase there is an obligation to help

The question was about Reform's plans to take migrants back to France. That can't happen without their agreement.

 

[pete01]

We’ve been through all this loads of times and you continue being wrong

you make the false claim that “pushbacks are legal” without defining the circumstances…..if a boat is in distress phase there is an obligation to help

SAFETY OF LIFE AT SEA CONVENTION - Chapter 5 - Regulation 33

Also read A33 refugee Geneva convention

How do the French get around letting them go? Turn a blind eye?

 

[motorbiking]

Hello boat at the edge of French territorial waters, heading North, are you in distress?

Yes: No problem, We will assist you and take you to the nearest safe place, France. Under SOLAS rule 33
No: You are hereby refused entry to UK waters, please turn back. under UNCLOS article 25.

 

[Deleted member 323070]

Legal immigration can easily be reduced to a very low level. It might have some very unpopular effects, though.

Yes, the ripples would be felt far and wide, affecting all corners of industry and commerce.
For example, tuition fees would skyrocket.

 

[Deleted member 323070]

Home secretary faces Commons questions on Starmer's pledge to cut migration

Plans to ban the recruitment of care workers from overseas are among efforts to curb near record net migration.

www.bbc.co.uk

No mention of small boat illegal migrants. No surprises there. When do you think he will make a start smashing the gangs like he promised - just before the next election?

He's focussing on 90% of the problem, not the impossible 10%.

God, give me the strength to change what I can change, and the grace to accept that which I can't change.

 

[Deleted member 323070]

No that isn't true. We've been over this before.

Arrive illegally and your claim will be inadmissible. Labour made up the bit about being in limbo after they closed the route to a safe 3rd country.

Rwanda was never a serious proposition. It was a face-saving gimmick that never worked.

 

[Deleted member 323070]

Those that apply to come legally and are needed and accepted are welcome. Not fake students with a family of 10 that they, sorry, we, have to support though.

But those that arrive here legally are 90% of the immirgrants.
If they arrive here legally, you're obliged to accomodate them, whatever your personal xenophobic attitude.

 

[Deleted member 323070]

Any examples?

75% of the statistics claimed on social media are made up.

A claim popularized by comedian Vic Reeves, and often cited online, suggests that "89% of statistics are made up on the spot". Another source states "73.6% of all statistics are made up," emphasizing the potential for fabricated figures.

 

[Deleted member 323070]

I've lost track of this with so much else going on in the world. What actually happens to them and what is their status. We seem to be managing to send lots back to countries like Albania.

Due to an agreement with that country.

 

[Deleted member 323070]

Thanks, that seems very clear.

If we were still in the EU, I assume we could have enforced the Dublin agreement?

The Dublin agreement was not enforceable. It was an agreement that still required the cooperqtion of the participating countries.
It also had some shortcomings. It only applied to asylum seekrs that had already registered in another EU country.

 

[Deleted member 323070]

Too much emphasis on small boats. Legal migration is the one that's swelling UK population by millions. By design.

By Jove, I do believe he's got it.

 

[Notch7]

Hello boat at the edge of French territorial waters, heading North, are you in distress?

Yes: No problem, We will assist you and take you to the nearest safe place, France. Under SOLAS rule 33
No: You are hereby refused entry to UK waters, please turn back. under UNCLOS article 25.

Why have you suddenly introduced “boat at edge of French territorial waters”

We will assist you and take you to the nearest safe place, France

No they only have rights to enter French territorial water under rights of innocent passage, contravening French immigration laws is not innocent passage.

Try reading LOSC A17

 

[Deleted member 323070]

If we strip out the special schemes for places like Afghanistan, Ukraine and Hong Kong, what has been the underlying net migration these past four or five years. Is it higher than the 400,000 we had before Brexit.

How do we start to find out the answers to your questions?

 

[Deleted member 323070]

nonsense. we've been over this also

It is illegal and would be considered as people trafficking.
It's also illegal to intentionally endanger others at sea.