Ssssssshhhhhh, don't mention Reform.

[Deleted member 323070]

I don't know enough. It sounded plausible.

When UK (or any other state) has created difficulties for refugees, they find a way round them. The same would be true for a blockade in the Channel. It would force the refugees to take long detours to circumvent the blockade. That would in turn increase the risk to the refugees, the passing traffic and the rescuers.

 

[Deleted member 323070]

It’s almost like they practiced it using jetskis. Oh wait they did.

Channel crossings: Border Force staff seen 'training to use turn-around tactics'

Home Secretary Priti Patel has said she wants the UK Border Force to be able to turn away migrant boats and send them back to France. According to reports, border officials have already started training staff in "pushback tactics".

news.sky.com

I used to enjoy practising fencing. I had no intention to use it as a form of armed combat.

 

[Deleted member 323070]

Except they have lawful excuse. You forgot that bit.

Not according to UNCLOS. You ignored that bit.

Passage is innocent so long as it is not prejudicial to the peace, good order or security of the coastal State.

And before you claim that refugees are not innocent, they are protected by international definition.

(g) the loading or unloading of any commodity, currency or person contrary to the customs, fiscal, immigration or sanitary laws and regulations of the coastal State;

International protection for asylum seekers is a framework of rights and obligations established by international law, primarily the 1951 Refugee Convention, to safeguard individuals fleeing persecution or serious human rights violations in their home countries. This framework includes the right to seek asylum, the principle of non-refoulement, and the obligation of states to provide humane treatment and protection.

 

[motorbiking]

When UK (or any other state) has created difficulties for refugees, they find a way round them. The same would be true for a blockade in the Channel. It would force the refugees to take long detours to circumvent the blockade. That would in turn increase the risk to the refugees, the passing traffic and the rescuers.

They may even decide it’s not worth the bother

 

[motorbiking]

Not according to UNCLOS. You ignored that bit.


And before you claim that refugees are not innocent, they are protected by international definition.

It really doesn’t work if you paste one sentence and ignore the rest of the paragraph.

Time for you to admit defeat.

 

[Deleted member 323070]

They may even decide it’s not worth the bother

They haven't so far. Their need must be great.

 

[Deleted member 323070]

It really doesn’t work if you paste one sentence and ignore the rest of the paragraph.

Time for you to admit defeat.

Asylum Seekers are protected by International Law. They cannot be deemed as "not innocent".
It is abundantly clear that one International agreement coincides with another International agreement to provide asylum seekers with the right of free passage.
They go hand-in-hand and do not contradict each other.

 

[Notch7]

It’s almost like they practiced it using jetskis. Oh wait they did.

Channel crossings: Border Force staff seen 'training to use turn-around tactics'

Home Secretary Priti Patel has said she wants the UK Border Force to be able to turn away migrant boats and send them back to France. According to reports, border officials have already started training staff in "pushback tactics".

news.sky.com

Publicity stunt for Priti Patel

Do you not remember….it was her trying to put through a bill implying it was legal, and she dropped it because judicial review were about to give it the boot.

 

[Notch7]

Except they have lawful excuse. You forgot that bit.

If that’s true why Priti Patel drop it from her borders and nationalities bill

 

[motorbiking]

They haven't so far. Their need must be great.

Quite a few went to Ireland faced with the previous governments deterrents.

 

[motorbiking]

If that’s true why Priti Patel drop it from her borders and nationalities bill

Perhaps she feared protests and bad press. Greece and Australia were widely condemned to start. Now Greece do it on the quiet and anyone who gets in the way gets “problems”. I was certainly told clearly to Foxtrot Oscar when I reported some between turkey and Kos.

Still doesn’t make it illegal or impossible.

 

[Deleted member 323070]

Quite a few went to Ireland faced with the previous governments deterrents.

They went via England.
And if they were asylum seekers that landed in England, they would not have the necessary travel documents to get to Ireland.

Therefore they must have been from some other group, e.g. visa overstayers, etc.

 

[Deleted member 323070]

Still doesn’t make it illegal or impossible.

It's in contravention of UCLOS and UN 1951 Refugee Convention and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

 

[MNW67]

They went via England.
And if they were asylum seekers that landed in England, they would not have the necessary travel documents to get to Ireland.

Therefore they must have been from some other group, e.g. visa overstayers, etc.

What documents are needed for the ferry and how rigorous are the checks? I've not been able to find a clear answer when I've looked before.

 

[Notch7]

Perhaps she feared protests and bad press

She abandoned it because it was about to get declared not legal by judicial review.

I’ve told you that

Still doesn’t make it illegal

A pushback on a boat in distress is illegal.

Priti Patel backed down because she knew it was illegal
Border Force backed down because they knew it was illegal
Royal Navy said no because it they knew it was illegal
Greek coastguard has been taken to court because it was found illegal

Seems only MKB thinks otherwise. Oh dear.