Ssssssshhhhhh, don't mention Reform.

[Deleted member 323070]

exactly that. However mine is a little more than yours

High flying doesn't refer to light bulb changers in a cherry picker, Dick.

 

[Highway Man]

High flying doesn't refer to light bulb changers in a cherry picker, Dick.

I tower above you though.

 

[Deleted member 323070]

I tower above you though.

In abusive capability, only.
I can understand how you think that's important, far more important than your reputation.

 

[Notch7]

A SARs vessel or vessel engaged in SAR as obligated by SOLAS reg 33

SOLAS reg 33 has no obligation to take migrants to nearest port.

It merely says “minimum further deviation from its intended voyage” ……using your argument the intended voyage of a British Border force vessel was to intercept migrant boats in French waters then return to base at end of shift.

So bringing migrants back to U.K. is minimum deviation, ie none.


Poor Motorbiking WRONG again

 

[Notch7]

The bit in bold applies to asylum seekers.

It does not apply to the rescue vessel. SOLAS reg 33 details the rules.

Nowhere does it say “take them to nearest port”………it only states “coordinate and cooperate”

“What is contemplated is that States—eg nearby port States, the flag State of the vessel that rescued asylum seekers, the State from which asylum seekers departed, and the State primarily responsible for the search and rescue region in which the rescue occurred—will coordinate and cooperate”

 

[Notch7]

SOLAS reg 33 details the rules

UNCLOS 19g takes precedence

In any case SOLAS reg 33 does not state take to nearest port.

 

[Highway Man]

In abusive capability, only.
I can understand how you think that's important, far more important than your reputation.

The irony

 

[Notch7]

The irony

How’s the military career you never had, or the Russian wife that doesn’t exist, or the degree you never did

 

[Highway Man]

How’s the military career you never had, or the Russian wife that doesn’t exist, or the degree you never did

That's all in your head. Yes its all going well in the real world. I have everything that you haven't and why does that cut you up so much. How is your media degree coming on? Have you found it useful?

 

[Highway Man]

How’s the military career you never had, or the Russian wife that doesn’t exist, or the degree you never did

Actually you have just reminded me of that. I offered you a chance to prove yourself. I will show you my degree and post it on here if you can show me yours? You never did take up the offer. So how about now. Would you like to bet against my claims. I would and I am willing to bet against your false claims.

 

[noseall]

A different scenario that nobody is talking about.

Nonsense...
"The French would have to grant express permission for UK vessels to carry rescued people through their territorial waters and to leave them ashore in France".

 

[motorbiking]

SOLAS reg 33 has no obligation to take migrants to nearest port.

It merely says “minimum further deviation from its intended voyage” ……using your argument the intended voyage of a British Border force vessel was to intercept migrant boats in French waters then return to base at end of shift.

So bringing migrants back to U.K. is minimum deviation, ie none.


Poor Motorbiking WRONG again

No that is a nonsense argument invented by you. If I am given the job of keeping them out of UK waters and paid accordingly, I'm not going to bring them to UK shores, just because its dinner time

UNCLOS 19g takes precedence

In any case SOLAS reg 33 does not state take to nearest port.

You just made that up. You're arguing that UNCLOS article 98 which places a duty on the state to require ships to rescue, also allows the state to prevent it. If Article 25 (its 25 btw not 19) allows the coastal state to prevent rescue, then there is no point in including article 98.

UNCLOS Article 98 requires them to assist. Article 19, 2 does not include Search and Rescue in accordance with SOLAS Reg 33 and and UNCLOS Article 98 as passage that is not innocent. It would be a bit stupid if it did.

 

[motorbiking]

Nonsense...
"The French would have to grant express permission for UK vessels to carry rescued people through their territorial waters and to leave them ashore in France".

Nobody is talking about rounding up illegals in the UK, putting them on a ship and sending them back to France.

If you think that this means a UK vessel (or any vessel) is not required to assist anyone in distress then you'll have to explain why UNCLOS Article 98 and SOLAS reg 33, are made up lies.

 

[motorbiking]

Key points of SOLAS Regulation 33:

• Duty to Assist: The master has a duty to assist distressed persons at sea if able.
• Speed to Assistance: The ship must proceed to the distress with all speed.
• Informing Distress: The ship should inform the distressed persons or the search and rescue service that it is proceeding to their aid.
• • Logbook Entry: If the ship cannot proceed to assistance, the reason must be entered in the logbook.
  • Obligation Applies to All: The obligation to assist applies regardless of the nationality or status of the distressed persons.
  • Flag State Responsibilities: The flag state is responsible for ensuring that ships under its flag fulfill their obligations.
  • Contracting Government Responsibilities: Contracting governments must coordinate and cooperate with rescue operations.

Additional points about SOLAS Regulation 33:

• • Search and Rescue: The regulation emphasizes cooperation with search and rescue authorities.
  • Disembarkation: Contracting governments must arrange for the disembarkation of survivors as soon as reasonably practicable.
  • International Law: The duty to assist at sea is also recognized under international law, including the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS).

It doesn't say anything about the nearest port.

Tommy troll asks ChatGPT to summarise SOLAS reg 33.

 

[noseall]

They can be legally rescued and taken to france.

"The French would have to grant express permission for UK vessels to carry rescued people through their territorial waters and to leave them ashore in France".